General Lee
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Speedbird,
I do agree with you about that. I will be tough to see those types of "go go" yields, although we heard the same things from our ex-CEO Ron Allen in the warly 90's---"This industry has changed forever....."--and he was talking about the onslaught on Southwest. In fact, we did even better in the boom times of the late 90's----and that of course fell apart after 9-11 and the bad economic cycle. We don't really know what will happen with the economy in the future, but even the "know it all yahoos" in the USAToday Money section today stated that we "could" hit Dow 15,000 at the end of this decade. If things run away again like they did in the late 90's---things could get good again for everyone. But, this time we have some debt burdons, and the internet is a factor.
I am sure that Jetblue will have a profitable run at BOS, but some of the routes I question. (LGB and DEN) Remember that Delta Express was NOT the only game in town in the past, and Metrojet was the other half of the equation. Back then we were both using older 737s, with no IFE. Now, Jetblue and Song will fight it out with nicer aircraft, and IFE---and there is quite a bit of traffic between the upper NE and FLA. Song has the advantage because we can get feed from ACA and their Dornier 328 jets---and Comair's Rj's etc....Delta is currently building a large terminal in BOS (adding to our debt load no less), and plans to have a sizeable network there eventually---with mainline service to ATL, CVG, DFW, BDA, and SLC, Delta Shuttle service to LGA and RJ service to DCA, Song service to FLA and LAS, and many RJ flights to all around the NE, and eventually nonstop service to Europe (before 9-11 happened, we were planning nonstop 738 service to Shannon and Manchester---no joke).
As far as Jetblue service to DEN, I know frontier dropped the only LCC service, but it will be late night nonstop service westbound, and an allnighter eastbound. A lot of people do not prefer those times. And to LGB---I know some people like the convienence if they live or work near there----maybe the shipping industry in San Pedro, or people who live in Palos Verdes. But other than that, I think a cab ride from LGB to Burbank or north of LAX, or one south to Orange County or Newport Beach--would be expensive and a hassle on the 405 freeway. But, maybe there is a need for people in the LGB area to go to BOS.....Time will tell. Also, there isn't a lot of room to add more flights at LGB---since they only have a limited amount of slots thanks to the LGB city council. If more are given out, expect Delta and others to ask for most of them---for fair competition......yeah right.
We shall see if this all works out for Jetblue. I think they will do well on some, and may flounder on others (like LAS--LGB--used to be hourly almost) I don't think Delta disregards them anymore.
Bye Bye--General Lee
I do agree with you about that. I will be tough to see those types of "go go" yields, although we heard the same things from our ex-CEO Ron Allen in the warly 90's---"This industry has changed forever....."--and he was talking about the onslaught on Southwest. In fact, we did even better in the boom times of the late 90's----and that of course fell apart after 9-11 and the bad economic cycle. We don't really know what will happen with the economy in the future, but even the "know it all yahoos" in the USAToday Money section today stated that we "could" hit Dow 15,000 at the end of this decade. If things run away again like they did in the late 90's---things could get good again for everyone. But, this time we have some debt burdons, and the internet is a factor.
I am sure that Jetblue will have a profitable run at BOS, but some of the routes I question. (LGB and DEN) Remember that Delta Express was NOT the only game in town in the past, and Metrojet was the other half of the equation. Back then we were both using older 737s, with no IFE. Now, Jetblue and Song will fight it out with nicer aircraft, and IFE---and there is quite a bit of traffic between the upper NE and FLA. Song has the advantage because we can get feed from ACA and their Dornier 328 jets---and Comair's Rj's etc....Delta is currently building a large terminal in BOS (adding to our debt load no less), and plans to have a sizeable network there eventually---with mainline service to ATL, CVG, DFW, BDA, and SLC, Delta Shuttle service to LGA and RJ service to DCA, Song service to FLA and LAS, and many RJ flights to all around the NE, and eventually nonstop service to Europe (before 9-11 happened, we were planning nonstop 738 service to Shannon and Manchester---no joke).
As far as Jetblue service to DEN, I know frontier dropped the only LCC service, but it will be late night nonstop service westbound, and an allnighter eastbound. A lot of people do not prefer those times. And to LGB---I know some people like the convienence if they live or work near there----maybe the shipping industry in San Pedro, or people who live in Palos Verdes. But other than that, I think a cab ride from LGB to Burbank or north of LAX, or one south to Orange County or Newport Beach--would be expensive and a hassle on the 405 freeway. But, maybe there is a need for people in the LGB area to go to BOS.....Time will tell. Also, there isn't a lot of room to add more flights at LGB---since they only have a limited amount of slots thanks to the LGB city council. If more are given out, expect Delta and others to ask for most of them---for fair competition......yeah right.
We shall see if this all works out for Jetblue. I think they will do well on some, and may flounder on others (like LAS--LGB--used to be hourly almost) I don't think Delta disregards them anymore.
Bye Bye--General Lee