Trip and Duty Rigs???

[newhire]

Can someone please explain to me what trip and Duty Rigs are and what additional $$$ value they can add to you pay check??? Also which airline's offer trip rigs and which ones do not?

 

[ReverseSensing]

Can someone please explain to me what trip and Duty Rigs are and what additional $$$ value they can add to you pay check??? Also which airline's offer trip rigs and which ones do not?

In simplest terms, there are generally four "types" of time your employer will keep track of:

Block (generally, brake release to brake set, although for pay purposes it may vary)
Duty (from the time you report for your day to the time you are released to rest)
Time Away From Base (TAFB, or trip time: round-the-clock time from when you report at the beginning of a trip to the time you are released at the end of the trip)
Credit (the hours for which you are paid; although you will get a min guarantee that you generally cannot credit below unless you drop flying.)

Block time typically credits 1:1, including any ramp and enroute delays (called block or better), but some airlines have fixed average block times for city pairs, meaning you don't get credited for block time above the average or established block.

A 2:1 (as an example) "duty rig" simply means you receive one hour of credit for each hour of duty.

A 4:1 (as an example) "trip rig" simply means you receive one hour of credit for every four hours time away from base.

If your company paid with these rigs, at the end of your trip, you will be credited the greater of block, duty rig, or trip rig. So if your trips are "soft" (have lots of down-time) you'd still get 6 hours of credit for each 24 hours away, even if you only block a couple of hours of flying.

Rigs theoretically force crew planners to plan efficient trips by making inefficient trips at least no less expensive to the airline than efficient ones.

I'll let others take a stab at the rest of your question.

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

In simplest terms, there are generally four "types" of time your employer will keep track of:

Block (generally, brake release to brake set, although for pay purposes it may vary)
Duty (from the time you report for your day to the time you are released to rest)
Time Away From Base (TAFB, or trip time: round-the-clock time from when you report at the beginning of a trip to the time you are released at the end of the trip)
Credit (the hours for which you are paid; although you will get a min guarantee that you generally cannot credit below unless you drop flying.)

Block time typically credits 1:1, including any ramp and enroute delays (called block or better), but some airlines have fixed average block times for city pairs, meaning you don't get credited for block time above the average or established block.

A 2:1 (as an example) "duty rig" simply means you receive one hour of credit for each hour of duty.

A 4:1 (as an example) "trip rig" simply means you receive one hour of credit for every four hours time away from base.

If your company paid with these rigs, at the end of your trip, you will be credited the greater of block, duty rig, or trip rig. So if your trips are "soft" (have lots of down-time) you'd still get 6 hours of credit for each 24 hours away, even if you only block a couple of hours of flying.

Rigs theoretically force crew planners to plan efficient trips by making inefficient trips at least no less expensive to the airline than efficient ones.

I'll let others take a stab at the rest of your question.

Subtract all of the above and you pretty much have Mesa's contract.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Subtract all of the above and you pretty much have Mesa's contract.

The whole time I was typing that, I was thinking, "I wonder how much of this doesn't apply to Mesa?"

Well, at least you have the min guarantee. And one list.

 

[newhire]

Does skywest really have a 2:1 adn 4:1 duty and trip rigs??? If so that would make a huge difference on teh paycheck. I used to be gratefull for the 4 hr min day at my old airline so that when I got done sitting around in the terminal for 16 hours to fly three legs I could still get paid for the full 4 hrs. The trip rig would have doubled my pay.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Does skywest really have a 2:1 adn 4:1 duty and trip rigs??? If so that would make a huge difference on teh paycheck. I used to be gratefull for the 4 hr min day at my old airline so that when I got done sitting around in the terminal for 16 hours to fly three legs I could still get paid for the full 4 hrs. The trip rig would have doubled my pay.

My posts basically reflected the rigs at Horizon (except we don't get block-or-better). I don't know what Skywest has.

 

[Beantown]

Not including block or better, how many regoinals actually have trip or duty rigs like they have been explained above? My guess is not many. -Bean

 

[CaptETWes]

Not including block or better, how many regoinals actually have trip or duty rigs like they have been explained above? My guess is not many. -Bean

AWAC has this as posted on our website.

2:1 duty rig
4:1 trip rig
3 hr. min day
Greater of scheduled block or actual block time

 

[172driver]

Comair:

2:1 duty
3.75:1 trip
4 hr min day
Block or better per leg

 

[viper548]

SkyWest

2:1 Duty
No trip rig
1:1 for days scheduled at more than 12 hrs
3.75 daily guarantee
100% deadhead pay
Cancellation pay
Block or better each leg

 

[Burt Reynolds]

Eagle:

Block or better each leg
75% deadhead pay
No trip/duty rigs
No min. daily guarantee
16 hour reserve availability periods
$1.60 per diem
120% for picking up open time on off days
Cancellation pay (except if you're a reserve picking up open time and haven't exceeded your 75 hrs for the month. Yeah, that got me once. Sit around all day after picking up open time and then not getting paid... Nice.)

 

[atrdriver]

Comair:

2:1 duty
3.75:1 trip
4 hr min day
Block or better per leg

But CMR is on a month lookback basis, not per trip. IOW, you could have many days of under 4 hours, but as long as you averaged over 4/day for the month the rig doesn't kick in. Same with the other rigs. Don't know about Skywest.

 

[JustaNumber]

ASA:

No duty rigs.
No trip rigs.
No minimum day.
No extra for open time.
No profit sharing.
Payrates are less than most other airlines for 50 seat flying.

But hey, at least we're the most profitable regional out there! (Go figure).

 

[flyer172r]

TSA gives reserve pilots a minimum of 4 hours of pay per day, so if they fly one leg, they get 4 hours, if they fly 7 hours in that day, they get 7 hours.

Desperately needed for lineholders.

 

[waterski45]

GoJet:

No duty rigs.
No trip rigs.
No minimum day (for lineholders).
No profit sharing.
No block or better.
No one likes them.

 

[waterski45]

....what additional $$$ value they can add to you pay check??? ...

Trip and duty rigs can make a noticeable difference in the paycheck at the end of the month. An example:

Mesa has a scale for the CRJ-900 that is more per hour than SkyWest's (this is much complained about on this board, since the SkyWest hourly rate is the same rate as their CRJ-200 rate). However, Mesa does not have trip or duty rigs. They do not even have block or better (which by itself is a couple hours of pay each month). SkyWest has duty rigs and block or better, which more than makes up the difference. And this is before profit sharing.

Also, as ReverseSensing mentioned trip and duty rigs provide an incentive for the company to build more efficient pairings. This translates to better quality of life in addition to more compensation. Anyone who has worked at one of the less desirable regionals will tell you this is a major motivation for negotiating these into a contract. Ask anyone at TSA how much they love the United 4-days that show at 0515 on the first day, end after 2300 on the last day, and credit 11 hours of pay.

 

[loflyer]

But CMR is on a month lookback basis, not per trip. IOW, you could have many days of under 4 hours, but as long as you averaged over 4/day for the month the rig doesn't kick in. Same with the other rigs. Don't know about Skywest.

Does that work the same for the leg-by-leg too? Like say you have a leg that you flew .5 hour over block on the first day of the month, the rest of the month you flew every leg right at block (okay, I know thats unrealistic - not to mention stupid), then on the last day of the month you fly your last leg .5 hours under block. Would you get the extra half-hour?

 

[CoATP]

9E:
no duty rigs
no trip rigs
no minimum day
highspeed (overnights or stand ups or illegals - depending on the vernacular) 3.75 hours
block/trip value or better
1.40 per diem

"Simply the Best" but le$$ than average

 

[ex j-41]

Comair: 4 hr min/day......Man i would get 80 plus hrs a month. SWEEET

Then i woke up and found out that i am at PSA.

Isn't it crazy for us not to get any type of min pay per day? It is crazy that the airlines can get away with scheduling a day with just one deadhead?
Its nuts that way back when the negotiating commitee actually allowed this to happen. Crazy Nuts

 

[IdRtherBsailing]

AWAC has this as posted on our website.

2:1 duty rig
4:1 trip rig
3 hr. min day
Greater of scheduled block or actual block time

We also have 100% dead head and full pay for cancelatoins for any reason. Pre concessions we were 3.5:1 Trip rig. That little difference was worth 12 hours of pay for me two months ago. Not complaining though, overall I am happy with the rig.