Trilateral Cabatoge-US/Mexico/Canada

[luckytohaveajob]

White House prepared to open U.S. air routes to Canada, Mexico
Chad Groening
OneNewsNow.com
Wednesday June 27, 2007​

An author and investigative journalist says the Bush administration is working on a plan that would essentially erase national borders for air carriers, perhaps paving the way for Mexican and Canadian airlines to compete with U.S. carriers for American domestic and international routes.
At an April meeting in Tucson, U.S. Transportation Secretary Mary Peters met with her Canadian and Mexican counterparts to discuss the initial "North American Transportation Trilateral." At the meeting, which went virtually unreported by the American mainstream media, Secretary Peters noted that agreements with the two countries -- a 2005 air services agreement with Mexico, and the Open Skies accord signed with Canada in March -- lift restrictions on continental travel, effectively providing for "free and open trans-border air travel."
Dr. Jerome Corsi says the agreements, which are part of President Bush's controversial Security and Prosperity Partnership, will throw open lucrative U.S. air routes. "So Mexicana can fly from Los Angeles to New York, or New York to Paris, or New York to Las Vegas -- anywhere they want to go inside the United States as if they were U.S. airline," he explains.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

The sell out Senate and whore your own momma out House with the presidents blessing may have already given the LCCs there next competitive threat with the ground work layed in 2005.

Where was ALPA oversight of this issue in 2005 under the worthless Duane Worth? Oh, I know they were allowing the storm to reach a no turning back point so they could say there is nothing we can do now just like happened on age 65.

And tomorrow watch ALPA and CALPA say there is nothing we can do about since the deal has already been signed so we better just go along to get along under the fearless Darth Prater.

The next LCC could base all airlines in Mexico. Pay American Boeing pilots in pesos', give us Mexican health care, and tell the US pilots they can retire on a lot less south of the border. California under Arnold Schwarzenegger would sign off on it in a heartbeat.

I am glad ALPA was minding the store when this happened in 2005. What would we do without ALPA?

 

[Newjetjockey]

I hope this is not true. If it is we can all consider ourselves outsourced within the next decade or two.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

Well with the politicians bent on cutting an amnesty deal (which for now got held back), why would pilots be exempt? My gut feel (and mine only) is this will eventually happen because commerce and government are determined to make it happen. Talk of a "superhighway" from Mexico to Canada continues to escalate. I think the purpose is to consolidate power both government and commerce wise (and to compete against the Chinese - sarcasm). It will be the average citizen who will pay the price. Oh well, I just hope the polticians or Hollywood are not adversely affected.

 

[macdu]

Oh ya, and you want a job with Mexicana or Aero Mexico? YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT A MEXICAN CITIZEN! BUT HEY, COME ON IN TO THE GOOD 'OL USA(ANYWAY YOU CAN) AND WE WILL GIVE YOU ONE. I LOVE IT!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

work amnesty will probably be designed for all three countries citizens. thats how the us govt. will sell it.

where was alpa when this was going down in 2005? what is alpa's position of it today. what is alpa doing to block it tomorrow? NOTHING!

it will become a fire storm and alpa will say it is to late to do anything.

 

[Heavy Set]

There will still be a lack of gate space or slots at major US airports, so there probably won't be a "flood" of Mexicana or Aeromexico flights, unless you want to go from Bakersfield to Newburgh nonstop. There is also a lack of feed within the US for those carriers, and allinace members may balk immediately if they start competitive flights against them internally. Airlines like Westjet in Canada, with no affiliation with any other US airline in an alliance, may cause some problems though on our domestic front, being the next LCC airline to fight with SWA, Jetblue, etc.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The sell out Senate and whore your own momma out House with the presidents blessing may have already given the LCCs there next competitive threat with the ground work layed in 2005.

Just like your ALPA reps you proabaly did not bother to particapte in congressional elections either....

Democracy sucks doesn't it...

Where was ALPA oversight of this issue in 2005 under the worthless Duane Worth? Oh, I know they were allowing the storm to reach a no turning back point so they could say there is nothing we can do now just like happened on age 65.

You have to be willing to listen adn not run your mouth in order to hear what ALPA has done...

And tomorrow watch ALPA and CALPA say there is nothing we can do about since the deal has already been signed so we better just go along to get along under the fearless Darth Prater.

Stop watching cartoons and help yourslef in your career...

The next LCC could base all airlines in Mexico. Pay American Boeing pilots in pesos', give us Mexican health care, and tell the US pilots they can retire on a lot less south of the border. California under Arnold Schwarzenegger would sign off on it in a heartbeat.

Its your democracy and your career... comprende?

I am glad ALPA was minding the store when this happened in 2005. What would we do without ALPA?

nah.. you were just too busy with your hobby: being an irresponsbile ALPA hater to be informed. Problem is...when can addres thee issue that youhave if you'd just shut your pie hole, show up with a smile and ask: How can I help out?

 

[Freight Dog]

I thought Mexicana pays better than most US airlines.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Just like your ALPA reps you proabaly did not bother to particapte in congressional elections either....

Democracy sucks doesn't it...

I have voted in almost every election since I was 18. I just voted in may for our state issues.

Rez, I don't see you defending ALPA failure on this issue just attacking me. You must be redirecting the thread because you know I am right concerning ALPA's failure on Trilateral Cabatoge.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

NAFTA will open up the holes needed to allow cabatoge between the three North American countries, Mex/Canada/ and the US.

Read the below excerpts of what NAFTA is already doing to America.

America’s relationship with its North American neighbors rarely gets the attention it warrants. In the more than a decade since the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) took effect, ties among Canada, Mexico, and the United States have deepened dramatically.

At their meeting in Waco, Texas, at the end of March 2005, U.S. President George W. Bush, Mexican President Vicente Fox, and Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin committed their governments to a path of cooperation and joint action.

Deepening ties among the three countries of North America promise continued benefits for Canada, Mexico, and the United States. That said, the trajectory toward a more integrated and prosperous North America is neither inevitable nor irreversible.

Our economic focus should be on the creation of a common economic space that expands economic opportunities for all people in the region, a space in which trade, capital, and people flow freely.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Then after open skies are approved between the US/Mexico/ and Canada, the Europeans sign an open skies deal with Canada or Mexico. Fly from Europe hubbing in Montreal or Mexico City and continuing on domestically within US Airspace legally.

CABATOGE!!!

Since the European Commission has indicated its willingness to enter into separate negotiations with countries that are prepared to negotiate a "fully liberalized" aviation environment, such an open skies agreement with EU may be possible. Given that the United States had signed separate open skies agreements with 67 countries as of October 2004, there is a real risk that international traffic to and from Canada will be routed increasingly via U.S. hub airports, especially as snags in implementing new Canada-U.S. border security procedures have eased. The only way to prevent such traffic diversion is to make direct air travel between Canada and foreign countries more convenient and inexpensive. This, of course, can be accomplished by signing open skies agreements with most of the countries with which the United States has open skies. It also entails a fundamental change in attitude on the part of Canada's international air policy makers and executers. They need to abandon the notion that restrictive bilateral agreements (a foreign carrier is denied the opportunity to expand its services or launch new routes if a Canadian carrier cannot make money on the route) will somehow protect uncompetitive Canadian carriers' interests in the long run. This protectionist policy prolonged the uncompetitive situation for Air Canada and, before its demise, of Canadian Airlines while inflicting major costs on the traveling public and harming Canada's wider economic interests (tourism and related industries, corporate location choices, etc.). Such a policy did not protect either Canadian Airlines or Air Canada from becoming uncompetitive, allowing them to stare into the abyss of bankruptcy. We observe that Air Canada is fixing things fundamentally only after getting a real competitive assault from WestJet. WestJet seems to be the best medicine for Air Canada's chronic disease.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Plus, if an airline operation had less restrictions in Mexico or Canada the operating certificate could be based elsewhere to take advantage of those lower standards.

Just like the cruise industry does basing its ships in Libya, Nigeria, etc.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

This is not fiction. It is really happening.

 

[SDF2BUF2MCO]

It certainly looks that way....and the politicians (both Reps and Dems) will ensure the laws/rules trump any ALPA demands.

 

[Heavy Set]

This is not fiction. It is really happening.

I really don't see US citizens flying Aeromexico from Des Moines to Ft Meyers. If Westjet invades the States and tries something, I have a feeling Southwest will start Toronto to Vancouver service, hurting Air Canada and Westjet in the process too. Look what happens when a new carrier like Virgin America wants to start service from SFO---Southwest and Jetblue simultaniously announced new service from there. I don't think the legacies or the US LCCs will be that passive. I think it will be hammertime on the new enrants.

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I have heard that, in general, pilots in Latin America are paid more than in N. America.

Also, there are no excess pilots in L. America (the US is basically the ONLY place left in the world with excess pilots).

I'm concerned, but I'm more concerned about unsafe Mexican trucks being allowed on US highways, which is WAY ahead of the flying stuff.

cliff
YIP

 

[g-code]

Hi!

I have heard that, in general, pilots in Latin America are paid more than in N. America.

Also, there are no excess pilots in L. America (the US is basically the ONLY place left in the world with excess pilots).

I'm concerned, but I'm more concerned about unsafe Mexican trucks being allowed on US highways, which is WAY ahead of the flying stuff.

cliff
YIP

Not totally true. Mexican pilots make about the same as their contemporaries at UA, AA, etc. Mexicana hasn't hired a pilot in the past 8 years or so, and only the new start ups (Volaris etc.) are hiring.

The Mexicana pilots area great group of guys though.