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Trans States getting 70 seaters and starting a new company to avoid scope!

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I just got this off of eagle lounge, those poor fellas at Trans States have got a big fight ahead of them.

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I post this here because our message board is closed down for some reason..all I can say is WTF?!?! Sounds like Republic revisited.

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Memo
To: All Trans States Airlines Employees From: Rick Leach, President
Date: 10/26/2004

Re: Pilot Scope Clause Limitation

Over the past couple of months, employees have asked me about the status of TSA's pursuit of larger equipment. Some of you may have read in recent industry press articles about pilot scope clause limitations. At some major airlines these limitations affect the size of equipment that their regional partner can fly, even for an unrelated major carrier under a totally separate codeshare agreement.
One of our current partners has recently emphasized to us that our code share agreement with them prohibits Trans States Airlines from operating aircraft with more than 50 seats. The basis for that is the scope clause language between their pilots union and our partner. This far reaching ban, in effect, will keep Trans States from being able to fly any new equipment larger than 50 seats. You may be saying to yourself, "this does not seem fair!" and to this 1 say, "I agree!" but these are the facts of our codeshare agreement with this partner. We are not happy about this situation but feel we have no choice but to comply with this clause in our contract. This partner is extremely important to the success and well being of Trans States and as such, we need to do everything we can to protect that relationship because it is vital to the success of Trans States Airlines.
As much as we value our current partners, we also realize that many of the opportunities in the future will come from growth with larger equipment. We have a strong desire to participate in this anticipated growth over the next few years, As a result, the parent company of Trans States Airlines Inc., which is Trans States Holdings, Inc., has begun the process necessary to start another airline with the intent of using that airline for the purpose of flying larger aircraft than the 50 seat jets in use at Trans States Airlines today. The intent is to have two separate airlines owned by Trans States Holdings, one being the original Trans States Airlines flying our current fleet of aircraft and a second airline to be positioned to compete for larger aircraft opportunities that we believe may exist in the years to come.

Let me make my thoughts for the future of Trans States perfectly clear. We will continue to fly our current fleet of Embraer 145 jets within Trans States Airlines. We will also continue to aggressively seek more opportunities for flying within this fleet of aircraft and to place such growth within Trans States Airlines. Additionally, we will continue flying our turboprop aircraft until such time as those leases are up or we find a business model that will allow us to extend the use of those aircraft into the future. We want and expect to continue to find opportunities to grow Trans States Airlines in the years to come.
By necessity, this new airline will operate separately from Trans States with their own planes and employees. We expect there to be significant opportunities for many Trans States employees who may be asked to switch over and become employees of this new company. We are convinced that through a combination of our aggressive activities to find more growth for Trans States Airlines and opportunities presented by this new airline, many Trans States employees will benefit from the actions we are taking today.
As I stated earlier, there is still much to be decided and many questions still to be answered. I would like to answer as many questions as you may have regarding this subject and are requesting that you submit them through the Trans States Airlines web site on the company question and answer section. Those questions and answers will then be published for you and all other employees to view both on the website and in our offices throughout the system. I also suggest you check the website frequently for more information regarding these plans and encourage you to attend the Town Hall Meetings on the following schedule so that I can talk to you in person and answer any remaining questions about this or any other topic you may have.

I will keep you posted on our progress as we move forward; additionally, I will be meeting frequently with your departmental Vice Presidents so if you have questions before or after my scheduled meetings, they should be able to assist in answering your questions.
As always, thanks to all of you for the wonderful job you do each and every day. Please be assured that as we evaluate the opportunities and challenges before us, our desire to bring additional success and continued long-term stability to the entire organization will be our guide.
 
amcnd said:
APA's scope clause is a joke!! Anyone can find a loop hole in any scope clause.
Chautauqua sure seems to have found one....
 
Oh nevermind
 
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SennaP1 said:
Somebody said it may be non-union...
Well wouldn't THAT be splendid? Start up a non-union shop to run parallel with an ALPA outfit?

P.S.- SennaP1, you'd better watch out, ol' spoonface may overtake Mr. da Silva's pole record next year.
 
P.S.- SennaP1, you'd better watch out, ol' spoonface may overtake Mr. da Silva's pole record next year.[/QUOTE]


I'll give credit to Schum. he's the man. But I'll always be A FAN Of Ayrton.

Good to see some F1 knowledgeable folks out there
:D
 
SennaP1 said:
Good to see some F1 knowledgeable folks out there
The few... The proud... The sleep-deprived... The F1 fans! ;)
 
KIMI KIMI KIMI KIMI KIMI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Suomi
 
The sleep deprived...

My wife was fine when I told her some guys were coming by to watch the f1 race...little did she know. I wasn't too popular when the doorbell started at 0430 on Sunday.

Anyone read the snippet today about bmw, ferrari, renault, and someone else leaving F1 to start their own gig because they aren't getting a fair shair of the coin?
 
props to da F-1. recognize!
someday ill afford cable and be able to catch up on F1....instead, i have to bit-torrent the races.
it's a shame the road course fans have to wait till winter to watch some decent action for once (thats when speed-tv scales down their NASCAR bs)
 
In case TSA needs some folks for the new airline

Here is the list of willing volunteers to sell out everyone else!!

Freedom airlines IDIOT list:
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Eagleflip banne this poster for life for posting lists.
Dang!!! Aced out again by another Moderator! My associates are fast!
 
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Well that ought to get you in "the penalty box".
 
Airpiraterob said:
props to da F-1. recognize!
someday ill afford cable and be able to catch up on F1....instead, i have to bit-torrent the races.
it's a shame the road course fans have to wait till winter to watch some decent action for once (thats when speed-tv scales down their NASCAR bs)
F-1...bunch of Euro-trash. Give me more Nascar!
 
Originally Posted by English
How much money are you willing to put up?

I will place one million dollars on myself.

The scablist is as follows:
xxx xxxxx

Sorry, I'm kind of in a betting mood. I have a Vegas trip this weekend.

How much did you bet?
 
TSA getting 70 seaters and avoiding scope....

And this suprises you howww.......


Funny, all I ever hear is how TSA is the best place to work.
 
Adding to the motorsports sub-thread here:



I always thought that nascar was just trailer folks trying to relive their last experience with a tornado.



F1 drivers would eat their lunch, their euro-weenie status acknowledged.
 
The TSA MEC needs to look at the Chautauqua contact and make sure that all flying at TSA Holdings is done by pilots on the TSA seniority list. Then the new entity flying is not such a bad deal.
 
Seafeye said:
Union?

I mean who really cares if the company is with a Union?
All they do is screw you anyway.
Ask how many TSA folks got to vote on the contract extension.....



Management didn't impose your contract extension your Union representatives did. Guess who voted for those guys? I hope you are being an activist in ousting these undesirable reps once their terms are up.
 
bustedstuff said:
A$$CAR?!? Left turn, left turn, left turn, oh wait.. another left turn... blahhhh.
At least there is so passing in NASCAR. F1 is a race to the first turn and then a two hour parade.
 
None of them are comparable to Nitro racing. Changing the Earth's orbit 4.5 seconds at a time....
 
I.P. Freley said:
The few... The proud... The sleep-deprived... The F1 fans! ;)
The nice thing about being a freight dog is your used to being up at 2am and watching the races live on SPEED seems like it's 2 in the afternoon.

I havn't missed a USGP since they started running the race here in the states. I'll call in dead if I have to.
 
amen to that!
f-1 = eurotrash?
nascar = white-trash!

seriously, passing in nascar?....only if the guy in front of you dosent mind you in his draft!!! yeah thats right. weather or not you succeed is if the other drivers LIKE you enough to let you in their draft.....F-that. thats not competition. thats the real parade. a parade of homoginized sponsorships on governmentally regulated car performance. bill france needs to F-off. just look what he did to the 24 hours of daytona! daytona prototypes are the ugliest things ive ever seen....and then he went and regulated everythign faster into slower unsafe evil-handling cars .....

(sorry...enough of this hijack)...let the sheep follow nascar. let them enjoy mcdonalds and wal-mart and all the other things that sheep enjoy cause they dont know better...oh yeah....(flame - on!)
 
Management didn't impose your contract extension your Union representatives did. Guess who voted for those guys? I hope you are being an activist in ousting these undesirable reps once their terms are up.__________________
Wow, you are way off base posting garbage like this. Your advice is like the French giving the USA advice on who to vote for. Yes, some of the pilot group is upset about the extension. However most pilot groups have taken consessions or signed new contracts that are basically conssesionary based on industry standards Comair and ACA had set. I'll take my 2.5 percent raise each year untill ALPA regains leverage in contract talks.

The company has not stated who will fly these new airplanes. So it is way to early to start complaining. We have scope in our contract and we have won nearly all the grievances we have filed. Chautauqua was granted a 180 day scope relief while they transfer the aircraft from one certificate to another. In that time American will pay APA about $500,000 or so. After that the scope will be back in place and Chautauqua will not be flying 170s or they will not be an American Connection carrier.

I seriously doubt this will turn into a Freedom/Republic episode. If it does please give us your support.

PS It seems as if there are a bunch of ACA/Indy pilots who like to dog TSA for whatever reason. "ACATerry" I'm not sure what your problem is but from a former ACA boy to a current ACA boy, you have little to stand on.
 
The thing I like about F-1 is that no matter how much you win you don't have to add 3,000lbs of lead balast into your car. You don't have to run a smaller restrictor plate, you don't have to run "less rear wing" you get to keep running under the same rules untill somebody comes allong and knocks you off.

I can't say I agree with them cutting the downforce way back next season though...

I think the last 'pure' form of racing is still WRC. I'm also a big fan of the IRL, but I'm not tooo happy to see them going to a smaller motor again next year. I keep hearing rumors that Tony George wants to run some road courses, I think that would make the series about perfect.

And finally yes, Rolex will never be the same, I remember back in the good 'ole days watching the Momo Ferrari's or better yet the Nissan ZX Turbo of the early 90's. So sad to see those days are gone forever, to be replaced with a tube frame mid engine Nascar.

Sorry to keep this thread hijacked.....

Paul
 
FI or Nascar

They both suck. The real men race off road. 1000 miles across the desert at 80+ miles per hour. They don't stop for rain, snow, thunderstorms or ANYTHING. Add the fact there is so much dust half the time they can't even see where they are going. You want to talk about tough racing physically, mentally and mechanically, catch a SCORE race sometime.
 

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