Trans States fire @ IND?

[BoilerUP]

Anybody have any news about the TSA AX plane with the onboard fire at IND? I heard there was smoke in the cabin...

 

[punkpilot48]

Probably cause they opened the DV windows.

 

[J32driver]

Holy crap... is this a new one? Didn't they just have one that diverted to SDF with a cockpit fire? There was another a couple of months ago that departed LGA and diverted into ABE wearing USAirways colors too I think with smoke in the cabin. WTF... 3 smoke incidents in less than 6 months. Remind me to stop riding them. Hulas makes me nervous!

 

[punkpilot48]

That one you are talking about diverted to springfield. I dont remember if that is SPI or SDF. They say that having the dv windows open was letting in moisture and getting the cockpit electronics fried. The crew did an amazing job on that one if you read the report.

 

[thowe21]

That one you are talking about diverted to springfield. I dont remember if that is SPI or SDF. They say that having the dv windows open was letting in moisture and getting the cockpit electronics fried. The crew did an amazing job on that one if you read the report.

I am positive that the first one landed at sdf which is louisville. I have heard nothing of one going into IND, and heard nothing of one going into ABE either. Intresting, Im sure that if it is true we'll find out soon. If it is true and two had smoke in the cockpit due to the same thing then I would think that the feds would step in and find out if it is a design flaw or shauddy MX. I find it hard to believe that opening the dv's is causing fire in the cockpit. Window seals are not made to last forever wether they are being opened or not!

 

[punkpilot48]

I find it hard to believe that opening the dv's is causing fire in the cockpit. Window seals are not made to last forever wether they are being opened or not!

I know it was just a joke....

 

[thowe21]

I know it was just a joke....

I didn't mean to come off as busting your balls I meant to come off as busting the shauddy MX teams balls. And the fact that preventative MX is a joke. Lets see window leaks........ heres my answer change the seal of the pressurized window with 7.6 psi pushing on it that is theoretical air tight and mysteriously leaks water. Here is their answer DAAAAAA I GUESS LETS NOT OPEN THE WINDOWS ANY MORE. BullSHEITE

 

[MD80DRVR]

I am positive that the first one landed at sdf which is louisville. I have heard nothing of one going into IND, and heard nothing of one going into ABE either. Intresting, Im sure that if it is true we'll find out soon. If it is true and two had smoke in the cockpit due to the same thing then I would think that the feds would step in and find out if it is a design flaw or shauddy MX. I find it hard to believe that opening the dv's is causing fire in the cockpit. Window seals are not made to last forever wether they are being opened or not!

The one with cockpit smoke landed in SGF (Springfield, MO).

 

[Shrek]

All these issues could have been prevented with adequately staffed MX AND I am sure a relatively cheap rubber dv seal. I am sure there is a "recommended" replacement schedule in the MX manuals.

Those airplanes are old as sin...... 801-808HK or so.

 

[WaterSkiette]

shauddy- SHODDY.

 

[jtf]

If it aint broke, don't fix it. If it's broke, give it an ops check OK. Management won't pay for proper staffing or parts. Mx is dangerously hampered by the worst scumbag management in the industry. Write up everything, everywhere before they pin it on the crews for carrying something that becomes a problem later. The seals on all of them have been pretty weak for many years- who hasn't flown in the winter and had deicing fluid drip right through? Does anyone keep anything of value in the holders next to the windows? Has anyone seen deicing fluid come out of more than just the window seals? It was just a matter of time before water and/ or deicing fluid that seeps in year after year starts causing problems. What is the "Diamond" or whatever they call it maintence service award that Trans States gets every year? Did Hulas make it up and award it to his own airline just to look good? There are definitely some good mechanics at Trans States, but they sure don't get any help from the company. These are just some of my edumacated opinions/ questions after serving my time as a Waterskier.

 

[mckpickle]

How does water come IN through a window that pressurized? At XJT we use the windows fairly often. Sometimes they squeel a little until the pressure passes about 2psi but we've never had any other problems. We have heard of a smoke problem caused by faulty windshield heat controllers. It was for the er/p&and LR a/c. The company is has replaced the lot that was faulty. They would heat up, short out and cause smoke. I though I had heard that was the cause of the TSA SGF incident.

 

[johndt]

We have heard of a smoke problem caused by faulty windshield heat controllers. ...I had heard that was the cause of the TSA SGF incident.

No, it was a short that they believe was caused by moisture entering through the FO's DV window. The short was in pitot 3. This didn't just cause smoke, it started a fire inside the cockpit and burned the FO.

 

[jtf]

Water doesn't come through when pressurised. It comes through whenever it rains or gets deiced because the air con pax are specifically shut off during deicing. Maybe this isn't what caused the problems, but I know I saw lots of fluids that went through the seals when the windows were not opened.

 

[dogtown]

Already posted.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Those airplanes are old as sin...... 801-808HK or so.

Yeah but my favorites are the 811-815. Takeoff with left aileron trim and right rudder trim. But those old Airways EP's are awesome to fly! (ATC: Waterski, 290 or better in the climb. Hapless PNF: "Unable even when level.") The Howlin Hindu will fly those planes until they either wind up smoking holes in the ground or the FAA says he can't.

Can't afford new window seals, gotta buy GJ pins for the backstabbing scumbags.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Those airplanes are old as sin...... 801-808HK or so.

Let's not forget the serial numbers for 849 and 850. 002 and 003? At least they have t/r's.

 

[Shrek]

Or MckPickle do you think that the airplane is pressurized all the time.....lol.

Believe me our airplanes are some of the oldest EMB 145's in the business. When they park the airplane overnight and a rainstorm rolls through.....viola FO side cubby hole half-filled with water. Now some of that water eventually seeps down into the side panels and reaches Pitot3. ZZZT short.....fire.....smoke.........emergency landing. Follow?

 

[mckpickle]

No, I gotcha guys, Just haven't seen it on our end. And we DO have the oldest a/c in the EMB fleet. I stand corrected on the pitot #3. I had forgotten about that. Jeez. you'd think a breaker would pop! Sorry to hear this is happening. As if you guys don't have enough to deal with.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

Its not just he ERJ's. I can recall may times in the CRJ when we where on the ground during rain water would run out of the side post maplights! Also the overhead emergency hatch would leak like a siv as well. When water is running out of an electrical light that scares me! I have since gone on to fly the ERJ and look forward to more of the same BS.

The CRJ's that were leaking were less then a month old too! so I think the manufacters need to be held accountable as well. Do the Big dogs leak too?

 

[johndt]

I haven't heard anything about a fire @ IND. Anybody else heard anything?

 

[Shrek]

As if you guys don't have enough to deal with.

No kiddin brutha.......

 

[BoilerUP]

I haven't heard anything about a fire @ IND. Anybody else heard anything?

I was in the terminal at IND when it happened. I looked up and saw a blue chicken tail airplane with a ton of CFR surrounding it. I spoke to some of the pax who got off the Tiger parking bus used to bring them to the AA gates and one said "The airplane was on fire. There was smoke in the cabin." These were his words, not mine. When I finally got out of IND, I saw this airplane on the hardstand where they park overnight airplanes.

Not trying to post any flamebait or spread anything here, just curious what happened...

 

[rjacobs]

Heard a bit more earlier tonight and "supposedly" when they started the APU it caught fire or it pumped smoke into the cabin or something along those lines. It was APU related as it was an after normal landing event. They did not devert, it was not an emergency landing/diversion. They did evac on the ramp. That is what I heard, but again, another rumor, but it sounds pretty plausable as the state of our APU's leave something to be desired.

 

[OPECJet]

Ditching hatch on the Dash leaks like an SOB too. Usually right in to the radios.

 

[great cornholio]

I was in the terminal at IND when it happened. I looked up and saw a blue chicken tail airplane with a ton of CFR surrounding it. I spoke to some of the pax who got off the Tiger parking bus used to bring them to the AA gates and one said "The airplane was on fire. There was smoke in the cabin." These were his words, not mine. When I finally got out of IND, I saw this airplane on the hardstand where they park overnight airplanes.

Not trying to post any flamebait or spread anything here, just curious what happened...

You sure it was TSA and not CHQ??? Anyways if it was TSA then thats like our 4th or 5th fire so far in 2006. I think I might invest in one of those silver airport firefighter uniforms before my next trip...

 

[Reebo]

You sure it was TSA and not CHQ??? Anyways if it was TSA then thats like our 4th or 5th fire so far in 2006. I think I might invest in one of those silver airport firefighter uniforms before my next trip...

Trans States has only had one "fire" in it's history. Many "smoke" events, but only one actual "fire".

 

[great cornholio]

Trans States has only had one "fire" in it's history. Many "smoke" events, but only one actual "fire".

Good point...but its still happening way too often all of a sudden.

 

[Reebo]

Good point...but its still happening way too often all of a sudden.

True!

 

[purduedchi]

Maybe only one fire IN the cockpit or cabin...but have we already forgotten about "old smokey." How many times did that ATR engine catch fire. Let's not forget too the engine fire in GRR I think (The halon fire bottles don't do very much when the engine nacelle is open)