Training washout rate

[nimtz]

Hey Riddle, how much longer until you hold a line anyways? You've done a good job starting out with innocent dumb riddle like questions, but now I see you've turned up the temperature with the outlandish Riddle Ra-Ra remarks. Oh well, we all must have our hobbies. You like to bait on us rejects on this board, I prefer pornography/age of consent studies. Anyways hope reserve life isn't too dull this week.

 

[mooser]

I interviewed at Express Jet a few months ago. Our interviewers told us that They have the highest wash out rate in the Regional airline industry. Because they are hiring 80 to 100 people per month. Out of that, they loose about 35% and sometimes close to half.

Has anyone else heard this???

I was told they have a 98% success rate???

Mooser

 

[Sir Humpalot]

Just study and stop worrying about getting washed out. If you think that you are not smart, then spend more time studying.... its simple as that.

 

[350DRIVER]

Those that worry about failure or washing out will be the first who wash out.
It amazes me that some people who have gotten to this point and now all of a sudden they are worried about failure rates?. Something is distorted with this picture. If you made it to this point then "success" and "pass" should be the only two words that matter.

what gives?.

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[vclean]

Poor self-confidence can be detrimental to your success in training. Obsessing about failure rates can quickly become a stall that develops into a graveyard spiral. Negative attitudes impede your ability to learn which then causes you to become more focused on failure. You passed the interview. Airlines don't enjoy spending limited $$ training someone they feel will not pass. Focus on learning, studying and enjoy the experience. Study with classmates with a positive attitude and you'll find the training fun. Go out at night with your classmates and enjoy a few beers and forget about school. Don't overstudy. Find your learning limits and stop for a few hours and do something else.

You will do fine. If you need more guidance or encouragement, check back on this board.

Good luck,

 

[phishn@daves]

Those that worry about failure or washing out will be the first who wash out.
It amazes me that some people who have gotten to this point and now all of a sudden they are worried about failure rates?. Something is distorted with this picture. If you made it to this point then "success" and "pass" should be the only two words that matter.

what gives?.

3 5 0

Well I disagree with you, probably for the first time too. Anyway, I have always been afraid to fail a checkride, and when I was hired by TSA I heard all the horror stories as well.........alot of people in alot of the classes do washout, I'd say close to 15-20%, all for different reasons.

The "success and pass" mentality, may work for some but not all people. All people learn differently, that goes back to FOI's. Some like to act confident, maybe cocky, and some react better to fear. However, that is for test taking only......that does not make the pilot any better or worse. I am always nervous during checkrides to the point that my hands shake, palms sweat, and I feel nauseas. But, I have never failed a checkride.........and that is do to the fact that I am fully concentrating on what I am doing. Like I said that is for tests only, I have had situations in the plane that I have handled very calmly, where some may be scared.............a lot of pilots are this way.

Now, Riddle may help pilots at the regional level due to the manner in which they were trained.........FlightSafety is the same way. I'm not saying it's any better but airlines seem to train in a similar fashion, structured ground school, lot's of studying, groups, and sim. You don't get that in Part 61 training. If you are a person who needs a specific type of training to get by, then fine. If not, then you will do just fine on your own and in any training environment.

You cannot tell me you are "amazed" by the fact that some people are afraid of washing out, it's more people than you think. Some just turn that fear into confidence, some cockiness, and others shake, sweat and feel nauseas, but the fact is when it comes down to it all, either you can or you can't do it.

 

[dondk]

Pinnacles wash out rate has varied.. From a high of 75% (yes, 3/4 of a class) to an average of 20%.

It varies because of the individual. We do not train you to be an instrument pilot, your instrument skills are weak coming in, they will continue to be weak. Most other regionals I have worked for are the same way.

In the CRJ it is the automation that kicks most guys butt's.. You are there to "manage" the aircraft first, then fly it second. Try to fly it and not manage it, it will be a few "red screen's" before you learn the lesson.

Ground school does play a factor into the whole process and it starts with the person's attitude. The dude hitting the bar every other night, chasing the new F/A class, or just not asking questions in class are the same guys who have problems. The other dudes that are trying to learn the flows and calls on the 5th day of ground school are the other problem children.

Ground school is really not that hard, they make it so most people pass (like another person stated to keep the FAA happy). If you bust there, it is usually study habits.

The sim can be a different story, this is where your instrument skills, understanding the profiles/flows/calls and decision making skills come into play. Again, it is on the individual and not too much the school house. Although I will agree some sim instructors can make it easier for a new hire and some.. well nothing can please them.

Regarding riddle peep's.. we have a few of them here.. Some are really good sticks, some are okay with great attitudes, some need to get an attitude adjustment (usually happens on the line). A rare few find a new FO evaluation form sending them to the CP's office and possibly out the door.

 

[Texan Driver]

Fortunately they aren't all like this. I've got a couple of good friends who graduated from there and they are great guys to be around! They definately don't have a the attitude this guy has. My buddies all fly professionally and they are good at what they do.

True..not all are like that. I have a good buddy that is a Riddle trained dude and he is decent. He is currently going thru Naval Flight training. He just finished T-34's.

 

[aa30]

Has anyone else heard this???

I was told they have a 98% success rate???

Mooser

Absolutely not. We only lost 1 from our class, and we were told the same (98%) pass. Attitude is everything. Study hard, and give 100% and everything works out fine.

 

[RiddleMan80]

Hey Riddle, how much longer until you hold a line anyways? You've done a good job starting out with innocent dumb riddle like questions, but now I see you've turned up the temperature with the outlandish Riddle Ra-Ra remarks. Oh well, we all must have our hobbies. You like to bait on us rejects on this board, I prefer pornography/age of consent studies. Anyways hope reserve life isn't too dull this week.

Hi Nimitz,

Actually, I'm already a line holder. Boring layover. Anyways, yeah this started out as a joke. I even put a "coming-out" message on another thread recently, and I thought that would be the end of it, but nobody really noticed it. When I saw this thread I couldn't resist.

I too have some very good friends who went to Riddle, and I've met some very good pilots from their as well. I have also met some real dorks that have gone there too, and they seem to be the majority. I think it's because a lot of people go their, so statistically, it's going to happen.

I did attend ERAU for one semester. Didn't fly yet when I was there. I was very disappointed in the quality of the professors there. My academic advisor was (his initials were N.C.) was about as useless as a log sitting in the water. All he was concerned about was letting people know he's deaf because he flew LearJets. What I saw in the adds and what I observed in person (from an educational point of view) are two different things. I can honestly say "been there, done that" and can rate the school. That's why I get very peeved when a Riddle grad tell me how great he or she is because of where they went. I laugh because they could have done so much better anywhere else and for a lot less.

In a nutshell, I think ERAU sucks and I have done a good job talking people out of going there, whether they want to fly or not. It's true, pi$$ off your customer and not only will you lose their business, but probably at least 10 people that person talks to as well. I'm just glad it was only one semester and hardly wasted any money. It could have been worse.

BTW, I finished up at a state-university. Got my degree, had a blast, and now am employed at a major. Sitting in the hotel with a laptop I might add.

 

[av8tor33]

You have no idea!

This question doesen't apply to Riddle grads. Our pilots are top-knotch, and not one has ever failed ANY checkride.

People like you are the reason why we (Riddle rats) have such a bad reputation in this industry. RiddleMan80, you are in for a rude awakening. I have busted my ass for the past 8 years of my career, including washing out of CL-65 training with a regional airline to be where I am. You are not going anywhere with that attitude! I got hired and succesfully completed training with a better regional. I will tell you that attitude is everything in this industry, that's how I got the job after failing a checkride once, and yes we do fail checkrides!

 

[RiddleMan80]

People like you are the reason why we (Riddle rats) have such a bad reputation in this industry. RiddleMan80, you are in for a rude awakening. I have busted my ass for the past 8 years of my career, including washing out of CL-65 training with a regional airline to be where I am. You are not going anywhere with that attitude! I got hired and succesfully completed training with a better regional. I will tell you that attitude is everything in this industry, that's how I got the job after failing a checkride once, and yes we do fail checkrides!

Read post #40. It was a joke, dude.

 

[mooser]

Absolutely not. We only lost 1 from our class, and we were told the same (98%) pass. Attitude is everything. Study hard, and give 100% and everything works out fine.

Thats what I thought...

Thanks

Mooser

 

[FlyChicaga]

Has anyone else heard this???

I was told they have a 98% success rate???

Mooser

There are people failing out. Some not even showing up. This fact has delayed my base advancement since there aren't pilots to replace us in CLE. At least that's what I'm told from the folks in IAH.

Study hard. Stay focused.