training contracts

[RNObased]

Gunfyter hit the nail on the head. For me, leaving or staying at NJA will be a business decision, not a personal one.

I am in an interesting position.....I'm currently at NJA, but am in the hiring pool at UPS. I applied to UPS a long time ago, and never heard anything, so I thought I'd try NJA. I was hired quickly, went through training, and really like the company. Fast forward a year later.....UPS calls, I interview, and am placed in their hiring pool. Am I going to tell UPS "no thanks" when they give me a class date? I don't think so. If I had HBA, and the pay was better at NJA, would I be thinking twice about leaving? You bet I would. Did I take the job at NJA to get a free type rating and then exit stage left? You've got to be kidding me.

The reality of the airline business (because it is so competitive) is that a smart pilot will apply to everybody, and take the first decent offer that is placed in his lap. You're not going to apply to an airline one at a time, and either get hired/turned down, and then apply to the next one. That would take forever, and it just isn't realistic.

As Michael Corleone says in The Godfather, "It's not personal Sonny, it's strictly business."

Archie,
From what I have read on your posts on this web site you are stand up guy. If UPS calls I would go, if I was in your shoes. No one is going to hold it against you. Maybe a bunch of you guys leaving will be the catalyst for everyone getting HBA. God knows their Domicle plan is a bunch of BS and isn't saving the company any money. It is drving a wedge between the pilots though.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Archie,
From what I have read on your posts on this web site you are stand up guy. If UPS calls I would go, if I was in your shoes. No one is going to hold it against you. Maybe a bunch of you guys leaving will be the catalyst for everyone getting HBA. God knows their Domicle plan is a bunch of BS and isn't saving the company any money. It is drving a wedge between the pilots though.

Thanks RNO. Like I said before, it was never my intention to be hired at NJA, snag a type rating, and head out the door. I really came here with long term intentions, and honestly never thought I'd have a good shot at a big cargo carrier like UPS (I was totally shocked when they called). When I quit Delta to come to NJA, some of my friends thought I was crazy, and others thought I had brass cajones (along with a good crystal ball) for giving it a shot. To this day, I don't regret my decision for a second.

Obviously this whole HBA issue is a hot potato that will be high on the list of bargaining chips when the next round of contract negotiations start. It was pretty smart on management's part pitting "senior" pilots (with HBA) vs junior pilots (domicile based). Divide and conquer is a common theme used by most airlines' management teams, and has served them well when negotiation time comes around. I'm sure that RTS will be using HBA vs a pay increase in the next round of contract negotiations.

When I do resign, I will let them know that HBA and pay were the major factors for my premature departure. I will miss NJA, and all the nice folks that work there.

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I hope you find the answers you are looking for. I'm sorry I cannot add constructively to the thread. However, I must say please disregard the used condom, named Diesel, for his idiotic replies. Good people such as yourself are asking straight-forward questions and getting nothing but uneducated ignorant replies. PM me if you have some questions about the transition...