training contracts

[subsonic]

I'm interested in flying for some of the fractionals out there & was wondering, does NetJets have a training contract? What about Flex, Flight Ops & Citation Shares? Thanks for the info.

 

[gunfyter]

NetJets does not

 

[subsonic]

Thanks for the info. I'm applying to some 121 carriers as well as a few fractionals & just wondered what would happen if I was hired to my #1 choice of a major after I was in training at a fractional. I DO NOT want to burn any bridges in this industry. Thanks again!

 

[Diesel]

Nooooo of course the company isn't going to be mad after they spend a bunch of money training you not only for the aircraft but company indoc, uniforms, FOM, blackberry.... the list goes on and on.

They don't have a training contract because they expect you to be a man and accept the job with the expectation that you stay and work.

If you don't want the job apply somewhere else. There are a lot of people that would gladly take your place.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

just wondered what would happen if I was hired to my #1 choice of a major after I was in training at a fractional.

You sound like an honest guy, so heres the honest answer. Apply to that #1 Dream Job and wait for a response. If you dont get it, pick #2 Dream Job and repeat step one.

I think any viable company like NetJets is looking for long term employees. If you just need a job to stay current and hang out at... Try Mesa or G*Jets. They could care less if you walk off the job in the middle of a LGA turn.

Best of Luck.

 

[Diesel]

ahhh wolfy is so much more diplomatic

 

[FLYLOW22]

Nooooo of course the company isn't going to be mad after they spend a bunch of money training you not only for the aircraft but company indoc, uniforms, FOM, blackberry.... the list goes on and on.

Of course all that being said...

Most pilots who get hired at NJA and move on do so for Quality Of Life (QOL)reasons... re the domicile debacle.

Newhires are forced to report to work at one of 5 locations and even then there are restrictions on moving from Dom to Dom. It's pretty much hogwash.

I could hardly blame a pilot for leaving NJA for QOL reasons because he/she doesn't have acces to the HBA system. I can't blame them at all for leaving NJA once they get here and then discover that the story told to them in the interview of LIFE AT NJA ain't exaaaaaaaaactly the same version they heard.

$$$ is one of the few things NJA management understands... let them leave if it makes them happy.

Maybe when NJA loses ebough money to retraining pilots they will reconsider the Domicile Debacle.

 

[Diesel]

IF you know its going to be a hardship then why is it the companies fault/responsability to be the test case.

If you have doubts don't take the job. If you do take the job man up and put your days work in.

I think what it boils down to. If a pilot comes here with an honest idea that they are going to stay and then finds out its different thats a different story.

But... if a pilot comes here knowing that they are going to leave soon.... and take advantage of not having a training contract.... well thats not right.

 

[doylehargraves]

IF you know its going to be a hardship then why is it the companies fault/responsability to be the test case.

If you have doubts don't take the job. If you do take the job man up and put your days work in.

I think what it boils down to. If a pilot comes here with an honest idea that they are going to stay and then finds out its different thats a different story.

But... if a pilot comes here knowing that they are going to leave soon.... and take advantage of not having a training contract.... well thats not right.

You're really good at stating the obvious!

 

[Diesel]

Thanks for the info. I'm applying to some 121 carriers as well as a few fractionals & just wondered what would happen if I was hired to my #1 choice of a major after I was in training at a fractional. I DO NOT want to burn any bridges in this industry. Thanks again!

Well someone didn't get the obvious so i stated it.

 

[gunfyter]

Screw em... If they don't want people to leave to the majors.... Up the pay and open the HBA's ... like they are doing for NJE because of their 8% attrition.. Its the cost of doing business. This is Free market economics... they should understand that.

You do whats right for your family.

NJ did not feel bad camping out in Cincinatti when COMAIR was on Strike.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Nice post gunfyter. Although burning bridges isn't the greatest thing in the world, people should do what is best for them, not the company.

I don't understand why there are so many pilots that feel that you owe the company something after being trained. I've been in plenty of jobs that required training and didn't have some b.s. contract. If the company competes effectively in the open market, they won't have to worry about people leaving after getting a type. Sure it will happen occasionally but that is a cost of doing business!! The contract is simply passing on business risk to the individual, in this case, pilots.

As mentioned, just taking a job for a type and leaving the day training ends is pretty low.

Mr. I.

 

[gunfyter]

He is not talking about taking the job to get a type... but what happens if he gets a better offer.

There is no guarantee that job at the majors will materialize. NJ is a good job... I would not delay taking it if offered. Its all about that lower Seniority number... to upgrade sooner and get furloughed last.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Screw em... If they don't want people to leave to the majors.... Up the pay and open the HBA's ... like they are doing for NJE because of their 8% attrition.. Its the cost of doing business. This is Free market economics... they should understand that.

You do whats right for your family.

NJ did not feel bad camping out in Cincinatti when COMAIR was on Strike.

Gunfyter hit the nail on the head. For me, leaving or staying at NJA will be a business decision, not a personal one.

I am in an interesting position.....I'm currently at NJA, but am in the hiring pool at UPS. I applied to UPS a long time ago, and never heard anything, so I thought I'd try NJA. I was hired quickly, went through training, and really like the company. Fast forward a year later.....UPS calls, I interview, and am placed in their hiring pool. Am I going to tell UPS "no thanks" when they give me a class date? I don't think so. If I had HBA, and the pay was better at NJA, would I be thinking twice about leaving? You bet I would. Did I take the job at NJA to get a free type rating and then exit stage left? You've got to be kidding me.

The reality of the airline business (because it is so competitive) is that a smart pilot will apply to everybody, and take the first decent offer that is placed in his lap. You're not going to apply to an airline one at a time, and either get hired/turned down, and then apply to the next one. That would take forever, and it just isn't realistic.

As Michael Corleone says in The Godfather, "It's not personal Sonny, it's strictly business."

 

[subsonic]

Thanks for all of the opinions. I've never flown for a civilian operator & am trying to learn the ropes. I appreciate the advice & am working to make a logical decision here...

 

[blueridge71]

Citation Shares has a one year training contract.

 

[BoeingBaller]

Screw em... If they don't want people to leave to the majors.... Up the pay and open the HBA's ... like they are doing for NJE because of their 8% attrition.. Its the cost of doing business. This is Free market economics... they should understand that.

You do whats right for your family.

NJ did not feel bad camping out in Cincinatti when COMAIR was on Strike.

WORD.....

 

[BoeingBaller]

Training contracts are a worthless scare tactic.Show me one that has ever held up in court.

 

[RTRHD]

Training contracts are a worthless scare tactic.Show me one that has ever held up in court.

Mine did!

 

[RTRHD]

Nooooo of course the company isn't going to be mad after they spend a bunch of money training you not only for the aircraft but company indoc, uniforms, FOM, blackberry.... the list goes on and on.

They don't have a training contract because they expect you to be a man and accept the job with the expectation that you stay and work.

If you don't want the job apply somewhere else. There are a lot of people that would gladly take your place.

Who are you and what have you done with Diesel?

 

[RNObased]

Gunfyter hit the nail on the head. For me, leaving or staying at NJA will be a business decision, not a personal one.

I am in an interesting position.....I'm currently at NJA, but am in the hiring pool at UPS. I applied to UPS a long time ago, and never heard anything, so I thought I'd try NJA. I was hired quickly, went through training, and really like the company. Fast forward a year later.....UPS calls, I interview, and am placed in their hiring pool. Am I going to tell UPS "no thanks" when they give me a class date? I don't think so. If I had HBA, and the pay was better at NJA, would I be thinking twice about leaving? You bet I would. Did I take the job at NJA to get a free type rating and then exit stage left? You've got to be kidding me.

The reality of the airline business (because it is so competitive) is that a smart pilot will apply to everybody, and take the first decent offer that is placed in his lap. You're not going to apply to an airline one at a time, and either get hired/turned down, and then apply to the next one. That would take forever, and it just isn't realistic.

As Michael Corleone says in The Godfather, "It's not personal Sonny, it's strictly business."

Archie,
From what I have read on your posts on this web site you are stand up guy. If UPS calls I would go, if I was in your shoes. No one is going to hold it against you. Maybe a bunch of you guys leaving will be the catalyst for everyone getting HBA. God knows their Domicle plan is a bunch of BS and isn't saving the company any money. It is drving a wedge between the pilots though.

 

[Archie Bunker]

Archie,
From what I have read on your posts on this web site you are stand up guy. If UPS calls I would go, if I was in your shoes. No one is going to hold it against you. Maybe a bunch of you guys leaving will be the catalyst for everyone getting HBA. God knows their Domicle plan is a bunch of BS and isn't saving the company any money. It is drving a wedge between the pilots though.

Thanks RNO. Like I said before, it was never my intention to be hired at NJA, snag a type rating, and head out the door. I really came here with long term intentions, and honestly never thought I'd have a good shot at a big cargo carrier like UPS (I was totally shocked when they called). When I quit Delta to come to NJA, some of my friends thought I was crazy, and others thought I had brass cajones (along with a good crystal ball) for giving it a shot. To this day, I don't regret my decision for a second.

Obviously this whole HBA issue is a hot potato that will be high on the list of bargaining chips when the next round of contract negotiations start. It was pretty smart on management's part pitting "senior" pilots (with HBA) vs junior pilots (domicile based). Divide and conquer is a common theme used by most airlines' management teams, and has served them well when negotiation time comes around. I'm sure that RTS will be using HBA vs a pay increase in the next round of contract negotiations.

When I do resign, I will let them know that HBA and pay were the major factors for my premature departure. I will miss NJA, and all the nice folks that work there.

Arch

 

[Crack-Ed]

S-Sonic-

I hope you find the answers you are looking for. I'm sorry I cannot add constructively to the thread. However, I must say please disregard the used condom, named Diesel, for his idiotic replies. Good people such as yourself are asking straight-forward questions and getting nothing but uneducated ignorant replies. PM me if you have some questions about the transition...