Traffic pattern in a Hershy Bar Cherokee

[MachBuffet]

How do you train to fly the pattern in a Hershy Bar winged Cherokee. Suggested power settings, flap configurations, speeds, etc. Any advice would be helpful.

 

[Kream926]

POH perhaps?

 

[jaxpilot]

Max power and 40 degrees of flaps from takeoff to touchdown.

 

[midlifeflyer]

I'm wondering about the context of your question, but in general...

About the same as in a 172 or most other 4-place fixed prop singles. Use the POH-recommended airspeed (or 1.3 Vs0) for final for the flap configuration you choose to land it, with the goal of being stabilized early on final at the latest.

As with every other light airplane, getting to there from initial pattern speed is a matter of choice - a number of safe variations. I guess the most commonly taught method is incremental decreases of airspeed and increases in flaps abeam the touchdown point, on base, and on final, but I've also seen CFIs teach and pilots get to their final configurations on base and as early as abeam the touchdown point.

I use the incremental method and find that a power setting of 1500± all the way to roundout seems to work as well for a PA-28 as for a CE-172.

 

[minitour]

Max power and 40 degrees of flaps from takeoff to touchdown.

Just remember, if you're high or fast, you have to go around...

-mini

 

[desertdog71]

1000 ft AGL abeam touchdown point, reduce power to 1700 rpm, pitch for white arc and trim, add 20 degrees of flaps and reduce power to establish a 500fpm descent, Base should be about 750ft AGL, and 500ft AGL when you turn final.

I prefer to use a combination of small power and pitch adjustments to control my descent. Usually resulting in pulling to idle over the fence, rounding out and flaring holding the nose about 5 degrees above level and letting it settle softly onto the runway.

Everybody does things a little bit different though, and really you just need to get a feel for the aircraft. That is the most important thing is getting a feel. You should be able to land safely in any configuration, and practice many different situations. Practice coming in too high, too low, too fast, etc. This will help you learn how to make those small adjustments and gain confidence.

I am sure other opinions will be different but that is my $0.02

 

[Kream926]

1000 ft AGL abeam touchdown point, reduce power to 1700 rpm, pitch for white arc and trim, add 20 degrees of flaps and reduce power to establish a 500fpm descent, Base should be about 750ft AGL, and 500ft AGL when you turn final.

I prefer to use a combination of small power and pitch adjustments to control my descent. Usually resulting in pulling to idle over the fence, rounding out and flaring holding the nose about 5 degrees above level and letting it settle softly onto the runway.

Everybody does things a little bit different though, and really you just need to get a feel for the aircraft. That is the most important thing is getting a feel. You should be able to land safely in any configuration, and practice many different situations. Practice coming in too high, too low, too fast, etc. This will help you learn how to make those small adjustments and gain confidence.

I am sure other opinions will be different but that is my $0.02

thanx for the landing lesson. for the longest time i couldnt finger out what i was doing wrong....

 

[timeoff]

thanx for the landing lesson. for the longest time i couldnt finger out what i was doing wrong....

Do I sense a little sarcasm here?

 

[MachBuffet]

Did not mean to sound so vague, but thanks for the laughs. Many moons ago, when I was a CFI in 152's, I think I remember using 1500 rpm abeam ldg point and configuring the flaps one notch on each leg of the pattern. The Hershey Bar Wing Cherokee drops like a greased anvil at the recommended 1.4 to 1.3 POH speeds. I was just curious if anyone had a "canned" pattern with power settings that they use as a starting point to start teaching a student. Something you can jot down on a board as a teaching tool. The stinkin' airplane litteraly drops 1,000 FPM at idle so it requires a tight pattern in order to make the runway should an engine problem mysteriously pop up. Thanks again for the laughs, I expected as much.

 

[CFIjim]

Mach
I have found the following works for a PA28-140 (150hp upgrade):
Abeam the touchdown point 2000 rpm flaps 10
Base leg 1800 rpm flaps 25
Final keep some power in until flare use last notch of flaps as required

I agree with your distinction regarding the hershey bar wing Cherokees, they drop like a rock! In a Warrior (taper wing) or a Cessna 172 I use 1500 rpm abeam and keep that power setting until short final adding a notch of flaps on each leg.
Like they say, your results may vary!

 

[RefugePilot]

Its been a while but I have instructed 250 hours or so in one, pretty much lived in one a few winters ago. I find them much more easy than cessnas in the pattern.

On downwind 2000 RPM and trim for level should get you in the white arc. Abeam the #s throttle to 1700 RPM and trim 2 twists counter clockwise(nose up). Check airspeed and adjust trim for 80 MPH. Go out to the 45 degree point, make your base turn and add 2nd notch of flaps. Turn final. Give 1/2-1 rotation of nose up trim on short final to slow airspeed.

About 20' AGL round out and throttle to idle and the plane will land very easily.

Done right the plane will do all the work except for the flare. Adjust your downwind leg after the first pattern. If you end up high add the last notch of flaps and you will get down quickly.

 

[satpak77]

dude just do whatever works. FLY THE AIRPLANE.

dont make this hard

 

[TrafficInSight]

Do I sense a little sarcasm here?

No, you don't... you got bludgeoned with it.

 

[timeoff]

No, you don't... you got bludgeoned with it.

You are a funny guy. That response was about as usefull as Kream's.

 

[Kream926]

You are a funny guy. That response was about as usefull as Kream's.

ha eat me!

just do what Mr rogers said....

or as my boss would say " FLY THE BLOODY AEROPLANE"

 

[macpilot]

typicaly cherokees require a little bit more power on landing than a 172 because it low wing. I forgot what power setting I used but abeam the tuchdown point I could set my power and leave it and first notch of flaps do the gumps and carb heat check, 2nd notch on base and final flaps just as I turned final approach. I think 70-80 knots was a good speed.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

When abeam the numbers:

DOWNWIND
90 KIAS
10 degrees
1850RPM*


BASE
80 KIAS
25 degrees
1750 RPM*


FINAL
70 KIAS
40 degrees
1650 RPM*


*Power setting is whatever it takes to achieve these speeds. It will vary slightly depending on atmospheric conditions of course.