TProp - Jet advice?

[Wankel7]

Well, looks like I am going from a Shorts to a DA-20. I am looking forward to the change but I have never flown a jet. Any words of advice? Class should be about two weeks long down at Simuflight in Dallas.

Wankel

 

[LearLove]

it's no big deal

 

[Wankel7]

Sweet I figured it won't be that much of a deal. Other than the pay cut to go from PIC in the Shorts to SIC in the DA20

 

[User546]

And one of the first things you'll notice is just how quiet it is up front!

And the "smooth" feeling on your first climbout - won't be anyting like that big ole turboprop you've been flying around.

Congrats on the new job, and I'm sure you'll love every minute of it!

 

[Lead Sled]

Congratulations on the job. You're about to find out about one of aviation's little secrets - the bigger the airplane is, the easier they are to fly. The big thing about jets is that they are very clean aerodynamically. Flying jets is an exercise in energy management and the biggest issue most pilots have when they transition into jets isn't their speed, but rather the eye watering rates of climb and descent that they can achieve. It can be a real challenge getting a jet to "go down" and "slow down" at the same time. It all comes together with a little time. There is an old saying that no one has ever been killed during they're first 50 hours in a jet - they were so far behind the airplane that they would have been able to walk up to the crash site. It only takes most guys 50 to 100 hours before they get the hang of it.

The big thing about jets is the systems. The latest and greatest bizjets and airliners are systems intensive and everything is connected to, works through, or communicates with everything else. However, you probably won't have to worry about a lot of that in most clapped out freight or charter Falson 20s.

As far as school goes. Everyone is different, but personally I find that things go best for me when I'm at school for an initial if I come with the limitations, memory items, and initial action items memorized. That way, I'm free to spend my time at school learning the systems. When it come to the simulator, just relax and enjoy...

'Sled

 

[FracCapt]

Well, looks like I am going from a Shorts to a DA-20.

It's going to be pretty tough. You're going to have to learn how an airplane flies...and it doesn't fly like the box you're used to!

Seriously, don't sweat it. Just remember...if things are happening too fast(like after takeoff) you can pull the throttles back(just don't get TOO slow).

 

[SkyBoy1981]

You'll like SimuFlite in Dallas. I got my type there in the Citation a few years back. Everyone is extremely friendly and they'll work with you as much as they need to.

 

[FN FAL]

Well, looks like I am going from a Shorts to a DA-20. I am looking forward to the change but I have never flown a jet. Any words of advice? Class should be about two weeks long down at Simuflight in Dallas.

Wankel

Advice? Yea, I'd take the class...I don't care if its two weeks and a day or three weeks and two days...take the class.

Next question.

 

[Wankel7]

Thankfully, I do not have to start with a new Company. I am working for Air Cargo Carriers. Same company...less boxy airplane

I am trying to get my hands on the books and limits before class starts. Thankfully I have almost a full three weeks before it starts. I should have almost six days at home. So, that should be enough time study up!

Wankel

 

[Lead Sled]

I am trying to get my hands on the books and limits before class starts. Thankfully I have almost a full three weeks before it starts. I should have almost six days at home. So, that should be enough time study up!

FWIW, spend the time on memorizing the stuff that need to be memorized so that you won't have to have that monkey on your back while you're at school. Don't worry about any of the systems stuff now, that's what ground school is for. Spend your flight time between now and then putting a spit shine on your instrument scan. Have fun. You will soon come to know the joys of trying to take a drink from a fire hose.

'Sled

 

[T-Gates]

Any words of advice?

Yeah! Be a good sim partner!!

I kid... I kid...

Seriously, I'm not sure if I remember how to fly a round airplane anymore....

 

[TransMach]

SD330 to DA20

Mate,

You are simply gonna love the Mystere Falcon 20. For it's time, it was probably the best airplane made. It only has a couple of sour points, those being way under powered, big drag profile at higher speeds and it's really dependant on big old electrical relays.

Someone here said "spool up time", don't sweat it a bit. The CF-700 (really a CJ-610 with an aft fan is really a true turbojet which blows a fan. The automatically adjusted inlet guide vanes (IGVs) and stage 3/4/5 bleed (the motor has eight stages of axial flow compression) make rpm changes almost instantanous.

Takeoffs, landings, maneuvering, engine-out stuff, it's all a snooze in the 20. The airplane doesn't have a bad habit to it's name. Honestly, I've got a couple of thousand hours in them and miss the ol'girls big time.

If you run into something you don't understand, and if the boys in Dallas can't get it through to you, drop me a note. I'll get it squared away for ya.

Except for the under-powered part (piss poor airport performance, snotty high altitude climb, slow cruise ... all unless you have been refitted with Garrett TFE 731-5BR engines) you're gonna think you've died and gone to airplane heaven.

TransMach

 

[FlyChicaga]

Remember to slow to 250 kts at 10,000 ft!

250 kts used to be a goal, not a limitation. Now it's a limitation... sigh.

 

[jobear]

MY first Jet flight a the controls was in a DA-10/100 beautiful takeoff roll next thing I know the Captain is screaming to get the effing nose up or we are gonna bust some serious speed restrictions. It's weird you really don't think about it in a Sennca 2(LOL). Study hard and enjoy the ride...

Jobear

 

[propilot]

Did ACC get the Falcons on their cert or are they using someone else's?

 

[T-Gates]

When we first got em', we ran them on Cherry's certificate. Now they're on ours. The first on has been on for a month, next one comes online 1st week of April. 3rd on the way possibly after that.

 

[Traveller Pilot]

Congrats on the jet checkout dude, but don't forget the paychecks the "Irish Concorde" provided your family..last time I had the priviledge of flying one was 1987...but never regretted a moment I spent aboard the fine plane it is..." any way you slice it...it comes out square", and as the wise fellow posted previously, MEMORIZE ALL limitations and memory/recall items on the checklists prior to school...makes life a LOT easier...and you'll find the jet easier, and less "labor intensive" to fly than the "sled"...but for sure on a night icy runway you might well miss those big fat tires, and the nice manageable VAT speeds of the Shorts...Ciao!!!

 

[ranger17]

well i've been flying a dash for about 8 months, and when i was in training i found that if you can get your hands on a cockpit poster it can really help in memorizing those flows and emergency procedures. good luck to you. can't give you any pointers on the jet flying, and i know i'm a realtive newbie, but thought that might help you. Good luck.

 

[AA717driver]

Just wait, some doofus will come up to you and tell you "Watch that (whatever type of jet you're going to school on) it's really slick. It just doesn't want to slow down!"

Just say "wow, sounds tough" and nod your head and realize that ANY airplane is tough to slow down if you get behind it...

Have fun. You will look back and miss the Shorts though--but not enough to go back. TC

 

[Ty Webb]

I went from a CE402 to a Falcon 20, and found that it was surprisingly easy to fly. Don't worry about flying the sim. If you are sitting there, and are not doing something, think about what you can do to stay ahead, whether it involves charts, checklists, tuning and setting, whatever, just stay ahead of the airplane.

Before you get there, focus on learning the the Limitations, Memory Items, Flows, Call-outs and SOP's and you'll be doing fine.