Top three delta reorganization strategies?

[bigshooter]

I was at the bar on the overnight and this Fo whos friend is sleeping with someone in deltas management told me about this strategy "supposidly one of the top three straegies" Delta would split mainline into a domestic and an international airline. Narrow body jets would come over to ASA along with the crews and operate on ASA's certificate (because there is such a long wait for 121 certificates from the FAA?). This is also why negotiations are goining slow from both sides because they secretly know we will be merged into one company. All furloughs would be brought back. The new contract would basicly have delta domestic operate under our work rules and new pay rates for 737s, mad dogs etc. Lots more point to point flying.

Sounds pretty radical but I think everyone at all the majors realize that their companies will have to change fundamentally to adapt to this new envirorment.
Just wondering what " serious changes " those of you that stay on top of the airline buisness think, not just for big D but the other legacy carriers as well.
I do not think pay cuts, simple fares and clockwork orange are gonna cut it all the way here in hotlanta. Where will the industry be in a year or five? Come on general and friends rub that crystal ball and lets speculate!

 

[OPECJet]

I speculate that DL will merge with CO, who will merge with NW, and then buy out AWA/US...

The new mega airline will be called Herpegonnasyphilaids Air.....

The AWA/US buy out will take place using food stamps.

Seniority lists will be merged through a full contact golf match between the MEC's, and televised on pay per view as the biggest golf event since Aneka Sorenstam played Tiger Woods.....

 

[General Lee]

I was at the bar on the overnight and this Fo whos friend is sleeping with someone in deltas management told me about this strategy "supposidly one of the top three straegies" Delta would split mainline into a domestic and an international airline. Narrow body jets would come over to ASA along with the crews and operate on ASA's certificate (because there is such a long wait for 121 certificates from the FAA?). This is also why negotiations are goining slow from both sides because they secretly know we will be merged into one company. All furloughs would be brought back. The new contract would basicly have delta domestic operate under our work rules and new pay rates for 737s, mad dogs etc. Lots more point to point flying.

Sounds pretty radical but I think everyone at all the majors realize that their companies will have to change fundamentally to adapt to this new envirorment.
Just wondering what " serious changes " those of you that stay on top of the airline buisness think, not just for big D but the other legacy carriers as well.
I do not think pay cuts, simple fares and clockwork orange are gonna cut it all the way here in hotlanta. Where will the industry be in a year or five? Come on general and friends rub that crystal ball and lets speculate!

Huh? Were you and this other person drunk while talking about this? Delta split domestic to ASA? Not gonna happen. I think domestic should be all Song, though.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[bigshooter]

Hey General did not say it was my theory. Should have added sarcasism i guess, but still dont you think its gonna take a more fundamental change in the way the airline is organized and how it conducts buisness. When you say all domestic should be song are talking about its current configuration, or use everything but wide body jets? Would you not have to make a major contract change to make it make sense. With the same work rules and pay how is song a low cost carrier?

 

[bigshooter]

p.s. You are still my hero General!

 

[General Lee]

Hey General did not say it was my theory. Should have added sarcasism i guess, but still dont you think its gonna take a more fundamental change in the way the airline is organized and how it conducts buisness. When you say all domestic should be song are talking about its current configuration, or use everything but wide body jets? Would you not have to make a major contract change to make it make sense. With the same work rules and pay how is song a low cost carrier?

Well thanks, I have a fan. Maybe I came off alittle hard though, sorry. Yes, Delta will have to make some huge changes, but we are actually trying to do that now. We are aiming for $5 billion in cost cuts a year by 2006, and we have tried to change things up with our depeaking the hub at ATL (which has really worked), created Song to fight Jetblue, closed DFW, added INTL flights (TXL and MAA are the newest), parked some inefficient planes (73S, some 767-200s, some SLC 733s) and changed the fare structure eliminating our lowest fares and bringing down the super high walk up fares that nobody wanted. We have tried to renegotiate loan payments, and Grinstein just sat before a Senate hearing to try to get the pension payments reworked to extend the payments instead of dumping the pensions. We are trying to change, but it does take awhile.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[49W]

ASA will be sold June 30th.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

Love how folks get so excited about the possibility of mainline equipment being flown at the regionals.

"airlines will need to fundementally change and give ME a 737 which I will in-turn fly for $60/hr because I'm willing to take one for the team..."

SJS (shiny-jet-syndrome) is apparently more addictive than heroine.

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

ASA will be sold June 30th.

To???

 

[ATR-DRIVR]

Love how folks get so excited about the possibility of mainline equipment being flown at the regionals.

"airlines will need to fundementally change and give ME a 737 which I will in-turn fly for $60/hr because I'm willing to take one for the team..."

SJS (shiny-jet-syndrome) is apparently more addictive than heroine.

Hey, ds, exactly where in the original post is he "so excited about the possiblity of mainline equipment being flown at the regionals"?

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Three things I do know:

1-Delta will never merge ASA and mainline...

2- The RJDC will sue somebody, anybody, for anything...

3- I'll never get to pull gear for the General...

 

[wil]

180- why won't #3 happen? If Delta does turn it's financial picture around and recalls the furloughs I would say that you would have a shot at Delta in maybe 3 years.

Every DAL pilot I have talked to has been positive about helping us get on board when (and if) the time comes.

Keep the faith- fly safe- Cheers, Wil

 

[180ToTheMarker]

180- why won't #3 happen? If Delta does turn it's financial picture around and recalls the furloughs I would say that you would have a shot at Delta in maybe 3 years.

Hey Wil, cool avatar...

If DAL ever hires us I'll probably be on the guppy while General will be Captaining the green sperm everwhere!

 

[Bluto]

To???

The highest bidder on Ebay. A friend of mine who is sleeping with the CEO of paypal said that all regional CEO's just registered after a conference call with Grinstein. It'll be huge. We'll all be able to watch our futures deteriorate in real-time on ebay. Get ready.

 

[Bluto]

SJS (shiny-jet-syndrome) is apparently more addictive than heroine.

Just for the record. I think I coined that phrase. Not that I'm looking for royalties or anything...

 

[doh]

If you did, it's a great phrase.

 

[Snakum]

To???

Me. I borrowed some money out of my 401K.

At my age and with my increasingly diminishing cognitive skills, it's the only way I'll get to fly a jet before I die.


Minh

 

[pilotyip]

DAL will follow the AA line given in 1988 by Crandall. DAL will become a marketing company, sell tickets only. Then it will have bids for contract service, for example ATL-DFW 150 seats 5 times a day. Rent gates to contracted carriers who are actually hauling DAL passengers. Deal approximately 200-300 different service providers. Two-year contract, lowest bidder gets the route. Contract baggage different company on each concourse, contract customer service. No maintenance because that would the contracted carrier's responsibility. No worker bees only management, administering contracts and making money

 

[SouthTex]

How come no one has addressed the Grinmeister's past...say concerning mergers?

Just a lure tossed into the water.

 

[SouthTex]

let's not start with the whole CAL, NWA, DAL B.S. either, that cannon fodder has been around too long. We've all heard the 'Gordo' flying to ATL and turning around the 73 before. C'mon I need some new stuff!!!

 

[Tomct]

Fourloughedagain: I beg to differ about the "shiney new jets.." because we at ASA told them to stuff it up their BuTTTS a couple of years ago, so that crap won't float! Now over at Comair......DOH!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Edited....

Delta is done. No point in debating it, or pulling General's chain. Just wish him luck with his job search.

It will take a while for Delta's last spasm, but the future is certain for any Company which owes $ 2 2, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0 . 0 0 and has no plan for a return to profitability. The fact that they are spending precious cash on book tours for the author of "Secret of a Gay Porn Star" only means the end will be sooner, rather than later.

I don't remember having been worng on any of my other predictions, except for Delta's call for bankruptcy protection in the fall of 2004. To everyone at Delta, I wish you the very best.

~~~^~~~

 

[Nindiri]

Aren't you employed by Delta, too? If Delta is toast, why are you bothering to support RJDC? A little pointless, isn't it?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Nindiri - Perhaps you are correct. But, the RJDC effort has always been to change ALPA's behavior and that mission remains. Our profession will continue to devolve until we have a union that brings pilots together.

Boy are we getting off topic - but as you well know, ALPA will become less and less relevant unless it learns to return to the core beliefs that made the union a force to begin with. First, ALPA has to represent all of its members equally and fairly. Secondly, ALPA must follow its own Constitution and Third, it must fight alter ego operations.