To: Aloha pilots

[Green Banana]

I hear that there are some big problems with the 73 over the water. Bumping pax, bags. Having to stop for fuel closer to the islands then continue to YVR. Is this blown out of proportion or is it true? Any rumors of somthing with a little longer legs? 767-300ER, (hehe).

Mahao

 

[Long Time Gone]

Having to stop for fuel closer to the islands then continue to YVR.
Mahao

Maybe I'm drunk, (or confused), but where can you stop for fuel closer to the islands than the islands themselves? The only thing between LAX and the islands is water (unless you are Pres Bush, then it's a carrier )

I think you mean "mahalo", not "mahao". Darn houlee boys.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

Re: Re: To: Aloha pilots

Maybe I'm drunk, (or confused), but where can you stop for fuel closer to the islands than the islands themselves? The only thing between LAX and the islands is water (unless you are Pres Bush, then it's a carrier )

I think you mean "mahalo", not "mahao". Darn houlee boys.

He probably means getting fuel on the Big Island. I flew AQ to YVR last month and the flight originated in Kona, pretty much as close as you can get. I understand there's no problem eastbound, but some flights need to stop and get gas in Oakland on the way back if the jetstream is pumping...usually not a problem in the summer (hence the lame surf, but that's another subject). I've heard sometimes they are weight limited, too. Perhaps there's an AQ -700 dude here who can shed some light.

And if you're gonna be the spelling cop, you might check your own....it's H-A-O-L-E

 

[Freight Dog]

I'm a -200 guy, but from my understanding with 150 kts of headwind on the nose, you gotta make a stop in OAK if you're flying from YVR. That's predominately in the winter time. I heard we're looking at winglets as a solution to this.

 

[Long Time Gone]

HJ....thanks for the lesson. It's been a long time (left in '82). Laterz, brah.

 

[Hugh Jorgan]

HJ....thanks for the lesson. It's been a long time (left in '82). Laterz, brah.

I'd say 21 years is too long to go without a visit. C'mon back out and make sure you fly AQ, consider perhaps visiting Molokai or Lanai for a change of pace and spend lots of money!

 

[TurboS7]

ETOPS requirement

From experience-when we fly our 737-800 to HNL from OAK with a full load (18,000 kilos) we can only have an averge 50KT headwind,otherwise we will drop south and fly out of LAX. The real problem comes from the ETOPS fuel required for the flight. You have to have enough fuel to drop to 10,000 feet with both engines and gind away, or to loose and engine at altitude and decend at .78/320kts to 10000. Then you have to grind away at 10000 feet from the ETP to your ETOPS alternate. With a full load the fuel required with one engine for obvious reasons is very high. In the CEPAC you are allowed with approval from the FAA, to not have to use anti-ice which saves about 2000 kilos of required fuel.
We have also had problems with the seals leaking on the hydraulic actuators-Boeing has provided replacements with the new seals. They also came out with an AD to mod the pressure vent for the hydraulic system. On long flights it was freezing up and resulting in loosing positive pressure on the hydraulic resevoir which was cavitating the hydraulic pumps causing total hydraulic failure. Once the pressure vent mod is completed the problem goes away.
If you do not have the ETOPS required fuel the only way to solve the problem is to reduce payload. The 700 has 500 miles more range than the 800 but remember we are not dealing with a range problem but a contingency burn problem. When we arrive in HNL we have over 6000kilos of fuel, this means that we are carrying 3500 kilos of fuel for ETOPS safety reasons. I am sure that the 700 has to carry the same exact fuel that we do hence its payload capacity on a given day has to be reduced unless the conditions are perfect.

 

[CesnaCaptn]

TurboS7

"From experience-when we fly our 737-800 to HNL from OAK with a full load (18,000 kilos) we can only have an averge 50KT headwind,otherwise we will drop south and fly out of LAX."

Do you "drop" down to LAX during the winter because the headwind would be less?

 

[TurboS7]

Yes, the jetstream rarely drops down to the LA area, sorry I didn't explain that.