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eaglefly said:
I believe he would.

See how easily the "me first" attitude shows up.

F 'em all, I'm gettin mine, they scream............well, most will whisper it when nobody's listening.

If you are referring to me you need to examine what I wrote. If you still believe I would then my dipsh!t internet friend are sorely mistaken. If you understand someone elses view and are just being a difficult prick to make yourself seem smart then you to can go fvck yourself.

If none of the above applies then have a nice day.

Jobear
 
cjs said:
I think most young pilots figure this out the hard way. A job is a job is a job. I don't care what you fly, what you drive, or what you design .. it WILL get old. Most guys look back on their CFI days as the best flying of their lives.

Most fun I had in airplanes. I would fly little pipers or cessnas around all day if I could pay the bills doing that.
 
Balls... I appreciate the thoughts and will truly take them to heart.

I've done my shopping and considering. As I mentioned previously Skywest and Horizon were my top two choices and they didn't happen. Work rules are important but there are other things too. If Mesa means avoiding a commute, 10 days off may be just as good as 14 or 15 days off somewhere where I have a tough commute.

I also don't have shiny jet syndrome.. I happen to love CFI'ing and get paid a lot to do it(think better than 2nd year FO at almost any regional plus benefits), however to get where I ultimately want to be a regional is more or less a required step. I will admit now that going to a regional is a step down in many ways.. but CFI'ing the next 5 years won't get me where I want to be.. the regionals will.

In the end I'm aware that its a job.. some days its gonna suck the big one.. all jobs do. I'm also more intimately aware than most what the real world is like.. the majority of my friends aren't pilots.. I know what the corporate world is really all about.. regardless of the magical world some pilots here think it is. Long hours for low pay and bumbling management is the mantra of corporate america... sound a little bit familiar??

In the end it's this simple.. going to Mesa for 6 months will put me farther ahead than continuing to teach PVT students for 6 months.. then I re-evaluate and go from there.

cale
 
jobear said:
If you are referring to me you need to examine what I wrote. If you still believe I would then my dipsh!t internet friend are sorely mistaken. If you understand someone elses view and are just being a difficult prick to make yourself seem smart then you to can go fvck yourself.

If none of the above applies then have a nice day.

Jobear

Despite the anniversery of a national tragedy, I'm having a nice day.

Sounds like you're not.
 
cale42 said:
I'll take a shot at this one as someone who has my fingers crossed for a successful interview with them on Tuesday.

4. Upgrades are fast... Turbine PIC is the golden ticket in the early stages of an aviation career.
5. They are a profitable company.
6. They show a desire for expansion and variety in their business plan that will likely continue to keep them a profitable company.
7. Profitable companies don't furlough.
8. See 7 again.. thats a biggie.

If you believe all of that crap you really have not done your homework...the reality is that mesa is in a death spiral and many knowledgeable folks believe they are in serious danger of losing all of their contracts. Lowest cost apparently doesn't matter if it is taken to the extreme of not being able to afford to perform the flying you are contracted to do. I left for about a dozen good reasons, one of which was fear for my job/PIC time.

cale42 said:
9. I have friends there that truly like it.. their opinions mean more to me then what I read on anonymous message boards.
cale

Your friends are delusional. I have MANY friends at mesa, and they are all miserable...and their misery is magnified x1000 as they have all gradualy realized over the course of this year that upgrade (the only positive about mesa) is about to go into full reverse.
 
Regul8r said:
To all the Mesa hopefuls, I have one question: Why? I would really like some insight here as to why someone would willingly choose Mesa. Some honest answers I have had in the past are 1) I'm already financially independant, and 2) They have a base near my home. Any insight to help enlighten a regular guy would be appreciated.

Back in the day, I didn't know a thing about them other than my buddy said he could get me a job, and they had bases close to home (no, I didn't stay after I found out what they were really all about). I would rather commute than work for mesa in my home town.
 
cale42 said:
I know what the corporate world is really all about.. regardless of the magical world some pilots here think it is. Long hours for low pay and bumbling management is the mantra of corporate america... sound a little bit familiar??

If you can put up with that for 8 hours a day (it would be great if you could stay a little past 5:30 like a great team player would) with your Boss in your face constantly trying to inspire you with promises of better pay if you just work a little harder (I didn't know lower management could grant pay raises???) then you are a better man than I am for it. And to top it all off, you not only got to wake up when it's dark out and go sit in traffic for an hour and a half this morning, but you'll be doing that again this evening when it's dark outside again too (MUCH longer when it snows out or rains). If that's what you're kind of referring to...then I have no idea what you're talking about;)
 
Every one here has a good point.
 
But I'm the only one here who can back up what I say.
 
When all things are considered you'll know what I say is true.
 
I'll make just one prediction.
 
And I guarentee it to come to pass.
 
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Go..............................
 
Over......................
 
eaglefly said:
Actually, it's really simple....................

It's because pilots especially are more concerned with themselves first and principle about eighth.

When they get their COMM-INST-ME ratings they'll look at a 172 and then a shiny RJ and say............"like, dude......I'll fly one of those for free.......like it's totally rad and I can get laid by chicks too !......." or something to that effect.

They're young, self-absorbed and NO NOTHING about the history of the airline pilot profession and why we are at where we're at............couldn't care less either, cause if they can be a captain at 25, "scoring chicks" on the side and practicing to bulls*#t a major interviewer at what professionals they are (with ipods, backpacks and moussed spiky hair) they can land a major job with 2/3's the former pay, slow upgrades, RJ schedules and no pension.

But hey dudes......................think about all those new hot chicks !!!!!!!!!!

Who needs a lucerative paycheck, eh ?

My two other side businesses pay 2.5 times what my flying job does and I'm topped out at six figures for flying alone.

No more.

This industry is the future for the Ralph Cramden's of the world. When I came out of college in the mid 80's, the airline industry still was something to be proud of...............how times change.

Party on, new homies................you gonna be work'in so hard, you can't be chillin at the crib and bangin ho's.



Nice summation of what its like in the real world, Eaglefly. Too bad all those 172 drivers out there won't listen to what you're trying to tell them.

PHXFLYR
 
If I had 1000TT and Mesa called I'd be there in a second. The young man above already said that Horizon and SkyWest weren't interested. Why in the world wouldn't he take the Mesa job? Take the job, get your PIC and get out of there. Seems like a good plan to me. It would be nice if we all got to 'pay our dues' making $50K in the right seat of a corporate jet, but that's just not the way it is.

I'm with Jobear. When, not if, you hit the inevitable setbacks in this industry none of these blowhards or the union are gonna do jack to help you pay the bills. Are there some jobs that are simply unacceptable? Sure, but Mesa isn't one of them. There are better regionals to work for but compared to more flight instructing or traffic watch it looks pretty good. Take the job and good luck with your career.
 
Wait a sec......Mesa makes you pay $50 just to interview!? That's just an insult. You are supposed to be a professional, not a snivelling bottom feeder who wants to bow and scrape for a job; and an employer is supposed to host an interview courting prospective employees. It's a fuggin two-way street, people! THIS IS WHERE THE CONCEPT BEGINS TO GET LOST.

They want you to work there; you want to work there. Simple. And conducting interviews is the cost of doing business. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
 
And another thing.......

Why is it respectable to fly single pilot freight in broken down piston airplanes for crappy wages with no workrules but flying for a legitimate 121 airline in good equipment with at least some workrules and equally crappy pay is dragging down the industry?

Like it or not jet regionals are the new timebuilder jobs in this day and age. In the "Good Old Days" you built time in a 310 hauling checks. That's not the way it is anymore and the new guys didn't reinvent the system. They're just starting out in a system built by the current occupants. They didn't start Mesa. They just want to get started in the business. If you can start out with a better job than Mesa, good for you. If not, Mesa will do until you are qualified enough to move on to a better job.
 
I couldn't imagine being stuck in the "ballpark" at EWR for 5 hours (happened a couple months ago) on the last day of a 4 day (missed commute home) knowing that I'm only getting paid "block."
 
PHXFLYR said:
Nice summation of what its like in the real world, Eaglefly. Too bad all those 172 drivers out there won't listen to what you're trying to tell them.

PHXFLYR

You right.

I certainly have no illusions of changing anything. As I've said, I believe it's too late for this profession and it's doomed to an existance of hopeless mediocrity.

I was just stating the apparent obvious and preparing the up-and-comers to the poor QWL, substandard compensation and lack of job security that awaits them.

I'm trying to accentuate something positive, in that there still are great chicks to had out there.

I mean if you can't offer pay, benefits or a decent schedule, what can you offer ?

Johnny O. and others like him can rest assured that there is an endless stream of guillible idiots out there to work their fingers to the bone to make them rich with comparitively little to show for it.

Mesa is the cash mecca for management.
 
Caveman said:
Why is it respectable to fly single pilot freight in broken down piston airplanes for crappy wages with no workrules but flying for a legitimate 121 airline in good equipment with at least some workrules and equally crappy pay is dragging down the industry?

Because that's the way they did it. Duh.

I'm with Jobear. When, not if, you hit the inevitable setbacks in this industry none of these blowhards or the union are gonna do jack to help you pay the bills.

That's true, but the other side of that coin is that as a member of a union, you enjoy both perks and responsibilities. Perks are what the union secures in the way of compensation, work rules, etc. Let's just assume that without the union, these wouldn't be as good as they would be with the union. Second, you've got responsibilities. That union improved your working conditions by threat of a strike. That's how unions impose their wishes ... intimidation, and there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. By crossing a picket line, you violate a code of honor if you will. They did you a good turn, and you are expected to return the favor. Solidarity is what secured those benefits, as pathetic as they may be.

My point is that it isn't as simple as "f*ck them, they don't pay my bills". Because, actually, they do help pay your bills, and whether you like it or not, you do owe them your support. If this sounds like "workers of the world, unite" crap, that is not my intention. The bottom line is that if you are a man of honor, you cannot turn your back on an organization which benefitted you without returning the favor.
 
cjs said:
That's true, but the other side of that coin is that as a member of a union, you enjoy both perks and responsibilities. Perks are what the union secures in the way of compensation, work rules, etc. Let's just assume that without the union, these wouldn't be as good as they would be with the union. Second, you've got responsibilities. That union improved your working conditions by threat of a strike. That's how unions impose their wishes ... intimidation, and there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself. By crossing a picket line, you violate a code of honor if you will. They did you a good turn, and you are expected to return the favor. Solidarity is what secured those benefits, as pathetic as they may be.

My point is that it isn't as simple as "f*ck them, they don't pay my bills". Because, actually, they do help pay your bills, and whether you like it or not, you do owe them your support. If this sounds like "workers of the world, unite" crap, that is not my intention. The bottom line is that if you are a man of honor, you cannot turn your back on an organization which benefitted you without returning the favor.

When you lose your job because of furloughs or mergers or bankruptcy the union isn't going to pay your bills. They'll be sympathetic, but that's about it.

I've seen a lot of good people take jobs at less than premium companies because they needed to get back to work. They had bills to pay or they needed to keep progressing in their chosen careers. These were talented, quality people that ended up through no fault of their own out of work. Some of them were new pilots just starting out. The point is nobody wants to work at a crappy job, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. The mortgage still has to get paid somehow. I'm sick and tired of holier than thou jerkoffs telling others who they should or should not work for.

Don't lecture me on how a union works. Been there, done that, got the battle star. I don't have a problem with unions. ALPA sucks, but that's another thread.
 

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