Tips for newhires

[psysix]

Just want to give some tips for you once you finish training and get on the line,

1. Have a good attitiude...be humble, most of us captains are not excited about
having the additional work load of a new hire....but if you are trying we are willing to help!

2. Be prepared for the flight!, don't show up at the airplane not knowing all the radio Frq. Use proper radio procedures....don't key the mike and step on another pilot!

3. Practice doing weight and balance forms, it should only take several minutes to finish the form...it is simple addition...

4. Don't tell a captain how to fly......we have had several new guys trying to tell us how to do a job we have been doing for a long time! Word gets around about who they are ....they will regret it.

5. Just my opinion but it seems alot of new guys worry more about what they look like than how they fly! I wouldn't advise showing up at the airport off IOE in a new leather jacket, cool sunglasses, a Scott bag, and Purdy neat roller bag!!
You will be laughed at!! focus on learning the airplane!! fly as much as you can.
Treat yourself to a jacket at 500 hours , a bag at 1000 hours ect.....

6. Never wear you uniform away from the airport!!! It is company policy and actually in the GOM. There was a newbie sitting in a bar/ rest. in CLT....he was seen by a Mesa capt. and got a verbal slamming!

Just remember you will be flying with tired -overworked pilots, many are mainline
Capts. with 10,000+ hours who are not fans of MAPD or other PFT programs.
But if you do a good job with a good attitude and be humble they will respect you.
Mesa is an airline going through growing pains, we have horrible schedules, we are home with our families only a couple a days week, we are tired, rushed, and working with broken airplanes- so we are not as excited about airline flying as you are.

 

[Bushhatesyou]

I'm sure the realization that you work for Mesa, and the majority of pilots look down on you doesn't help either.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Just want to give some tips for you once you finish training and get on the line,

1. Have a good attitiude...be humble, most of us captains are not excited about
having the additional work load of a new hire....but if you are trying we are willing to help!

2. Be prepared for the flight!, don't show up at the airplane not knowing all the radio Frq. Use proper radio procedures....don't key the mike and step on another pilot!

3. Practice doing weight and balance forms, it should only take several minutes to finish the form...it is simple addition...

4. Don't tell a captain how to fly......we have had several new guys trying to tell us how to do a job we have been doing for a long time! Word gets around about who they are ....they will regret it.

5. Just my opinion but it seems alot of new guys worry more about what they look like than how they fly! I wouldn't advise showing up at the airport off IOE in a new leather jacket, cool sunglasses, a Scott bag, and Purdy neat roller bag!!
You will be laughed at!! focus on learning the airplane!! fly as much as you can.
Treat yourself to a jacket at 500 hours , a bag at 1000 hours ect.....

6. Never wear you uniform away from the airport!!! It is company policy and actually in the GOM. There was a newbie sitting in a bar/ rest. in CLT....he was seen by a Mesa capt. and got a verbal slamming!

Just remember you will be flying with tired -overworked pilots, many are mainline
Capts. with 10,000+ hours who are not fans of MAPD or other PFT programs.
But if you do a good job with a good attitude and be humble they will respect you.
Mesa is an airline going through growing pains, we have horrible schedules, we are home with our families only a couple a days week, we are tired, rushed, and working with broken airplanes- so we are not as excited about airline flying as you are.

what a load of gay advice.


"dont key the mike and step on another pilot"

"dont show up with a new bag, or you will be laughed at, treat yourself to one at 1000hrs."

Its all about being cool, dude.

 

[flatspin7]

Hey I had to get a new flight bag when I was a new hire... My old one was a Brown hand-me-down... Didnt quite work.

Attitude is most of the equation.. but an understanding CA makes the world of difference... New F/Os will screw up.... I'm sure all you "seasoned" Capts were perfect when they got in the airplane.

No I dont fly for Mesa

 

[NoJoy]

MAPD is not PFT. ( I did not come from that program). Also there is nothing wrong in showing up dressed right, even if that means buying new gear. Hand-me-downs look horrid. Take care of your gear, including your flight bag and it will last a long time saving you $. New hires usually have a good attitude and if a little of it rubs off on Mr. Grummpy, then that's ok too. The rest of the advise is spot on though.
I would add to forgo the "wind braker" look, and go for the leather or trench coat.

 

[TNPILOT]

Good lord. Some people take themselves and this job too seriously...dorks. Do your job as professionally as possible and go home. Plain and simple. Talk about 5 mins. I can never get back. Jeeesshhh.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

7. Don't forget to practice hiding your ID badge from other respectable pilots. You don't want them to find out you work for Mesa, lol, wouldn't that make your face red.

 

[CA1900]

See, I thought this was going to be a legitimate thread to help new-hire regional pilots. I'll see if I can help.

Helpful Tips for the New-Hire Regional Pilot

1. The hotel's continental breakfast is the key to staying within your food budget; you won't be able to afford enough Ramen for all your meals. I suggest pocketing the following items:

• Anything shrinkwrapped (e.g., danishes, cereal bars)
• Peanut Butter packets and jelly packets
• Slices of bread to make PB&J from the above packets; lunch and dinner are covered!
• Yogurt, milk, mozzarella sticks, and other perishables, if you have a cooler (if not, get one)

2. Don't waste your money at the newsstand. During cabin clean-up, you'll usually find enough newspapers and magazines to keep you occupied. Never be caught purchasing a USA Today; you'll never hear the end of it from your fellow crews. If you're waiting for a deadhead, you'll usually find lots of reading material in the gate area after a nearby flight boards.

3. With all the money you've saved on the above two items, you'll be able to afford a decent cup of coffee at the airport. That swill the hotel serves will kill you. Good coffee is the key to surviving this business. A good captain will often offer to buy you a cup here and there. (If you're a coffee-drinking captain and don't do that, you should.)

4. If you're riding in a jumpseat, pretend you're a guest at someone's house. You don't bring up how great your 70-seat RJ is to a mainline crew, any more than you'd tell a dinner host that he has crappy taste in beer. Be appreciative, and talk about Family Guy like a normal person.

5. Find a roommate. You'll never be able to afford to live by yourself on this salary, so you may as well start your roommate search early, and find someone you like living with.


There's plenty more, but this will get you off to a good start.

 

[MarineGrunt]

CA1900 - Keep em coming. This time next year, hopefully I'll be into my first year. I'll definately be looking for advice!!!

 

[skystud25]

*douche bag alert*

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Just want to give some tips for you once you finish training and get on the line,

1. Have a good attitiude...be humble, most of us captains are not excited about
having the additional work load of a new hire....but if you are trying we are willing to help!

- be sure to thank said captain, who was once a new hire, for doing his job.
Tell captain who's obviously assumed that you were recently flight instructing to get over himself.

2. Be prepared for the flight!, don't show up at the airplane not knowing all the radio Frq. Use proper radio procedures....don't key the mike and step on another pilot!

- try not to point out all of the mighty captain's mistakes as he has "arrived" and will not appreciate it.

3. Practice doing weight and balance forms, it should only take several minutes to finish the form...it is simple addition...

- be especially careful not to make math mistakes as you're reminding the captain to call for de-ice or to make his announcement or any of the other things they forget, especially when there's a maint. issue.

4. Don't tell a captain how to fly......we have had several new guys trying to tell us how to do a job we have been doing for a long time! Word gets around about who they are ....they will regret it.

- I'll give you that one, you'd have to be a real jackbag...

5. Just my opinion but it seems alot of new guys worry more about what they look like than how they fly! I wouldn't advise showing up at the airport off IOE in a new leather jacket, cool sunglasses, a Scott bag, and Purdy neat roller bag!!
You will be laughed at!! focus on learning the airplane!! fly as much as you can.
Treat yourself to a jacket at 500 hours , a bag at 1000 hours ect.....

- unbelievable. Buy whatever you want. Remind CA that not everyone was recently a flight instructor and might have more money than he does.

6. Never wear you uniform away from the airport!!! It is company policy and actually in the GOM. There was a newbie sitting in a bar/ rest. in CLT....he was seen by a Mesa capt. and got a verbal slamming!

- Do whatever you like within the rules or your company. Tell constipated CA to go pound sand up his drooping arse if he doesn't like it and to keep his opinions and all of the technique he's trying to pass off as SOP to himself.

Just remember you will be flying with tired -overworked pilots, many are mainline
Capts. with 10,000+ hours who are not fans of MAPD or other PFT programs.
But if you do a good job with a good attitude and be humble they will respect you.

- Try not to wake them up on that last leg of the day. Remind CA that you too are now a tired, overworked pilot and may have as much if not more experience than he does. Some regional captains are real captains for the first time and you may find a few in the crew lounge with their hats on for hours between flights because they want everyone to realize they're captains. Ego has no place in aviation.

Mesa is an airline going through growing pains, we have horrible schedules, we are home with our families only a couple a days week, we are tired, rushed, and working with broken airplanes- so we are not as excited about airline flying as you are.

Mesa, that explains a lot.

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Just want to give some tips for you once you finish training and get on the line

Thanks for the pearls of wisdom Captain Super Douche.

When I was showing up for my first flight off IOE my captain was so pissed off when I didnt know the radio freqs. He yelled when I had to look at the airport diagram to see what the atis freq was. Very tramatic for me.

Don't buy new stuff. I loved this one. If I didn't have an overcoat, flight bag, and an overnight bag from my previous job what the %@#! am I supposed to do? Please enlighten me.

Sorry for ripping you apart though. I'll make it up by giving you some advice, just like how you helped all of us. When you finally pass your upgrade checkride at your shitty airline where you are so tired, and overworked, don't come on to flight info and spout off a bunch of gay crap like you've flying for 30 years. You will be laughed at!! Also word gets around about who you are ....you will regret it.

 

[blzr]

You left out the part about not answering the phone on your off days. If you do schedueling a favor, don't expect to be repaid... remember, no good deed ever goes unpunished...especially at the regionals

 

[flx757]

Read this guy's posts.

You can start with this one: http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=863581#post863581

He signed on with a similar username and avatar of another poster to do nothing but flame. Nothing he posts is serious. This is just another in his long line of usernames. How people are so gullible is beyond me. But then again...this is flightinfo.

 

[big pimpn']

Just want to give some tips for you once you finish training and get on the line,

1. Have a good attitiude...be humble, most of us captains are not excited about
having the additional work load of a new hire....but if you are trying we are willing to help!

2. Be prepared for the flight!, don't show up at the airplane not knowing all the radio Frq. Use proper radio procedures....don't key the mike and step on another pilot!

3. Practice doing weight and balance forms, it should only take several minutes to finish the form...it is simple addition...

4. Don't tell a captain how to fly......we have had several new guys trying to tell us how to do a job we have been doing for a long time! Word gets around about who they are ....they will regret it.

5. Just my opinion but it seems alot of new guys worry more about what they look like than how they fly! I wouldn't advise showing up at the airport off IOE in a new leather jacket, cool sunglasses, a Scott bag, and Purdy neat roller bag!!
You will be laughed at!! focus on learning the airplane!! fly as much as you can.
Treat yourself to a jacket at 500 hours , a bag at 1000 hours ect.....

6. Never wear you uniform away from the airport!!! It is company policy and actually in the GOM. There was a newbie sitting in a bar/ rest. in CLT....he was seen by a Mesa capt. and got a verbal slamming!

Just remember you will be flying with tired -overworked pilots, many are mainline
Capts. with 10,000+ hours who are not fans of MAPD or other PFT programs.
But if you do a good job with a good attitude and be humble they will respect you.
Mesa is an airline going through growing pains, we have horrible schedules, we are home with our families only a couple a days week, we are tired, rushed, and working with broken airplanes- so we are not as excited about airline flying as you are.

You amaze me! I didn't think it was possible for one person to possess such a vast reservoir of undiluted gibberish! Generally, there is nothing wrong with having nothing worthwhile to say - unless you insist on saying it. In the future, wake up the dozy peg legged hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing.

Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy if you wear a wig to hide to the scars; stop posting your drivel on message boards, and learn to control the slobbering. Clearly, the full area of your ignorance is not yet mapped. We are presently only exploring the fringes of that vast expanse. Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing? I am sure the same can be said of you sitting behind the controls of an aircraft.

You don’t enjoy flying with new hires because you’re workload is increased? How do you think you ever learned you stupid little carnival freak? I’ve always thought it was a privilege to give a new hire IOE or simply fly with someone new to the company. I think it is wrong for some a$$hole like yourself to judge another pilot because of a jacket or some luggage that you don’t approve of.

In conclusion “Psysix”, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded? I am sure that Mesa will not miss you one bit.

 

[ex j-41]

Captains...

Quit being cheap, if we have to listen to you brag about making 80k plus then
stop borrowing a dollar from us for the van driver, and pony up once
in a while and buy a poor starving F/O a cup of coffee...7-11 will do.

 

[flx757]

In conclusion “Psysix”, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded? I am sure that Mesa will not miss you one bit.

Still, you buy into his post? Amazing. I guess there is no limit to the bait that the average flightinfo reader will take.:smash:

 

[Gulfstream 200]

How do you think you ever learned you stupid little carnival freak? [/SIZE][/FONT]

now thats freakin' classic.

 

[LabMonkey76]

Going to be cold

As a reserve pilot that's been at my airline (not mesa) for 9 months and never flies, that means I ought to be able to buy a coat sometime in April (just as winter ends) and I can finally stop carrying my overnight stuff in a trashbag sometime next October. My old flight instructing glasses were polarized and don't work with the layered windows... when is it ok to get sunglasses?

Personally, I think attitude is everything. I just try to be humble and respectful of my captains. Oh yeah, and have a sense of humor....

 

[CoolSidePillow]

Captains at regionals make 80k?
damn looks like I chose wrong company

 

[CoolSidePillow]

psysix you must be the biggest loser I have read on ANY internet board. I guess you dont need a hat to wear with that gay Mesa windbreaker since you wear mesa management a$$ on your face. Do you find it cozy having your head stuck so far up there? If there ever was a candidate for a general purpose beating you are it. I havent had blood on my knuckles and too dang long and would love to punch your ticket. Dont bother responding you d*****bag there would be nothing you can do to stop the carnage.
You dork

 

[suupah]

Just want to give some tips for you once you finish training and get on the line,

6. Never wear you uniform away from the airport!!! It is company policy and actually in the GOM. There was a newbie sitting in a bar/ rest. in CLT....he was seen by a Mesa capt. and got a verbal slamming!

Last night i stopped by the grocery store for much needed items on the way home from the airport. I undid my tie but left my sport coat on. If i went home first i for sure would not have made it to the grocery store and would be forced to wear dirty draws today.

I don't give a crap that i am a pilot and most others dont either so i don't think it matters if i wear my uni to the store.

after i get off my servor job, which confirms that i am truly a pilot, i go to the store with that uni on too. logos and all. nobody gives a crap about that either. if they do......oh well.

 

[DashCojones]

You amaze me! I didn't think it was possible for one person to possess such a vast reservoir of undiluted gibberish! Generally, there is nothing wrong with having nothing worthwhile to say - unless you insist on saying it. In the future, wake up the dozy peg legged hamster operating that wheel-powered brain of yours before you start typing.

Here's a tip: no one will ever know that you've had a lobotomy if you wear a wig to hide to the scars; stop posting your drivel on message boards, and learn to control the slobbering. Clearly, the full area of your ignorance is not yet mapped. We are presently only exploring the fringes of that vast expanse. Have you ever noticed that whenever you sit behind a keyboard, some idiot starts typing? I am sure the same can be said of you sitting behind the controls of an aircraft.

You don’t enjoy flying with new hires because you’re workload is increased? How do you think you ever learned you stupid little carnival freak? I’ve always thought it was a privilege to give a new hire IOE or simply fly with someone new to the company. I think it is wrong for some a$$hole like yourself to judge another pilot because of a jacket or some luggage that you don’t approve of.

In conclusion “Psysix”, why don't you go away and play Russian roulette with all chambers fully-loaded? I am sure that Mesa will not miss you one bit.

You need to quit the airlines and write for Esquire. Nice!

 

[G2T]

6. Never wear you uniform away from the airport!!! It is company policy and actually in the GOM. There was a newbie sitting in a bar/ rest. in CLT....he was seen by a Mesa capt. and got a verbal slamming!

So what's your point? The Mesa Capt was an **shole? I ate at a bar/rest. in PHL the other day with my whole crew in uniform. I feel zero guilt about it either. I had eaten my share of bourbon kitty for the week, and with a 3 hour sit we decided to get a real dinner at a place with good food.

 

[G2T]

Oh, my bad. By CLT he meant the city of Charlotte. Maybe that should have been written out to start with. I think there are a couple of pilots that read this board, and CLT could easily be confused with the Airport. That's what I was thinking anyway.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

When I was showing up for my first flight off IOE my captain was so pissed off when I didnt know the radio freqs. He yelled when I had to look at the airport diagram to see what the atis freq was. Very tramatic for me.

Sounds harsh. Are you supposed to have this stuff memorized? Is it really tough the first few weeks off IOE, I mean do the captains really give new hires a hard time?

 

[AWACoff]

Yes, it is pretty tough the first few weeks off of OE. I don't believe that most captains give newhires a tough go of it. Some do but most remember where they came from. I remember screwing up so much I lost count. Thankfully I had some very understanding (and more importantly, great educators) captains on the Brakillya at Great Lakes. I prefer to be a captain that an FO actually wants to be like when he/she upgrades.

AWACoff

 

[Flyerjosh]

Well since we're throwing out some advice... Here's some advice for Captains... (as remembered from my days as a career FO): (psysix take note)

1. When you get a new hire FO, don't assume that he or she is an FNG just because they have a brand new hire date. In this day and age of furloughs/rotating careers, there are many FO's that have more airline experience (including left seat time) thant the damn condescending captains they're flying with. Take a moment and ask them what their background is... Of course if you work for Mesa or GoJ3ts, you can disregard this post. Folks that worked at other airlines generally apply to more respectable companies.

2. If you don't want to come out to dinner, don't make up lame excuses for slam clicking us. We know you're an asshole - we just put up with you all day long. To be perfectly honest, we didn't want you to come out to dinner with us anyway... do you really think we can't see through that whole "I have recurrent next week" line of BS?

3. Stop being such a cheapskate. Treat your crew to lunch from time to time, or pick up the hotel van tip once a trip (say at least once during a bid period). Odds are that you make more than the rest of the crew combined.... It still might not be all that much, but like it or not, your better off than the rest of us. Excuses such as well I have a family to support don't cut the cheese either... So do I- I still buy beers for the FAs (and cool captains). Besides if you're a cool captain, your crew will probably return the favor next time around anyway.

4. If your the captain, act like it! So many bitch about how the FO's step in and do the "captain's job". Perhaps that's because you aren't doing it yourself? You're right when you say this isn't a democracy... but if you don't step up and COMMAND, I will.

5. Remember - an FO is a Captain in Training. Slow down and take the time to help your FOs out. Give them the opportunity to learn something about your job. Ask if they want to do the release or mind writing up that maintenance item. If they show selfmotivation and initiative, encourage it. If they don't then fine, but you'll find that many are willing to take on new responsibilites.

6. Don't hog the release/WX packet on your side of the plane. I know how to read it too. Sometimes, I would like to interpret it myself instead of just hearing "it's all good".

7. Learn how to do the damn weight and balance form yourself! If you are going to be critical of how long it takes me to do it, then you should be just as quick yourself. After all it's only basic calculation right? If so, how come the captains typically take 5 times longer in recurrent training to get it right?

8. I'll dress how I want to. As long as it's professional and within company guidelines, I really don't care how you think I look. Just because your jealous that I have a nicer purdy neat bag and leather jacket than you do (probably because I've worked for twice as many airlines as you have), don't be a hater.

9. Don't micromanage! I know when I need to talk to ATC. I don't need to be told each flight "Okay... call them up and tell them we're ready" as we approach the hold short line at ORD.

10. If I ask for the occassional frequency (ops/ramp/etc), don't roll your eyes at me. We all lose them from time to time. Even if I have been around the block, numbers change or the jepp chart that it was written on got revised. Sorry. We're all human. You promise to do that, I'll promise to stop rolling my eyes every time you set off the overspeed warning when you're trying you make your commute.

11. If we have a disagreement about something, listen to my side of the story. Odds are I will have no problem taking the more conservative route, but don't ignore me because I'm an FO that "doesn't know anything".

12. Finally - lighten up Francis! Some FOs are way out there, but so are some CAs. It won't hurt you to pull a few inches of that steel rod out of you @$$. We're all here to have a bit of fun and enjoy the job. The old adage of "it's my certificate" doesn't hold much water with me. It's mine too. We can have a good time and still get the job done safely so we can have a beer on the overnight (sans uniform of course).

 

[check6]

Leather Jackets at Mesa??

5. Just my opinion but it seems alot of new guys worry more about what they look like than how they fly! I wouldn't advise showing up at the airport off IOE in a new leather jacket, cool sunglasses, a Scott bag, and Purdy neat roller bag!!

I thought you folks wore cute little windbreakers.

 

[wheelsup]

Y I don't believe that most captains give newhires a tough go of it. Some do but most remember where they came from. I remember screwing up so much I lost count. Thankfully I had some very understanding (and more importantly, great educators) captains on the Brakillya at Great Lakes. I prefer to be a captain that an FO actually wants to be like when he/she upgrades.

AWACoff

Myself and the other new hires that made AWAC our first ever 121 two crew gig thank you very much!

As a side note, I have yet to encouter a captain that was pissed at a new hire or new f/o. They are MORE than understanding and even offer tidbits of much needed advice. If they are pissed at anything its crew scheduling (maybe that is taking the heat off my back? ).

~wheelsup

 

[Rossa]

Ever notice that the C***$****** that start these threads about standards, etc... are the same Moth**F@#$%^& that are dragging the industry to it's knees!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's always a Mesa puke that tries to be Mister Airline Pilot..........GET A F%%%&%$ LIFE YOU RETARD!!!