Time to get out.

[vetteracer]

In the early 1990's two things happened, 1) the military cut back on the amount of pilots it was training and raised the time commitment required after flight training, but even more importantly, there was a large increase in the number of college programs that began churning out a large number of young, single, stary eyed pilots, who were willing to work at well below industry norm wages in order to build their time and eventually land the dream job. The problem is that the dream job...really no longer exists

BINGO WE HAVE A WINNER !!!!!!

We did this to ourselves, in hopes of greener pastures, sold out for the "experience" to get ahead, and many are stuck there, just straightening deck chairs on some titanic for minimum wage.

 

[vetteracer]

...number of college programs that began churning out a large number of young, single, stary eyed pilots, who were willing to work...

Is that like a stigmatism?

While I agree with some of your points, I don't think the 22 year old college grads are the ones who created the low-paying regional jobs or decided they would undercut the majors. Every trade out there has entry-level jobs, some are just better than others. Has ending my chase for my lifetime dream ever crossed my mind due to the current mess? Hello yeah. The dream jobs are still there (at least today), and until someone tells me that there are no more 747s, 777s, 767s, etc. flying or that they are all being flown by robots, I will continue my quest to make it there. I know it's not the same industry as it once was, but most industries aren't. My 2 lincolns.

OH YES THEY DID.

"Oh, pick me, take me, give me a uniform, I'll pay for my training, I'll pay to work there, let me fly the jet, I only have 350 hours TT, but pick me, oh, pick me, me, me, me, me.

Now, 5 years later.

Still there, stuck, no movement, and they cannot survive. They sold out long ago, and are paying for it, I mean we ALL are paying for it.

Somtimes you have to man up and admit you FU** Up.

Supply and Demand lesson 101 -

What would happen to pilot wages if airlines had to hire recruiters to find them pilots ??????

Can you imagine this. A recruiter comes to the flight school where you are working on your multi-engine rating and hassles you about working for ComAir ??????? You say, well, shoot me a price and we'll talk ???????

The recruiter says 35K a year to start, and you just turn and walk away. He says, well, maybe 40K, and we'll pay back your student loans ???/

Instead, in the real world, there would be some guy that would probably give the CP a rim job to just get an interview??

 

[apache]

it would be great if we can come up with another term for guys like this that are flying at G0jets. there not exactly "scabs" but exactly the same moral character. any suggestions? how about calling them "wharts"!

I'd vote for wart.

 

[ReportCanoa]

How about 300 year old infected corn on my leprechaun foot.

 

[veneratio]

Let's just hope for a massive pilot shortage.

 

[jdubya]

All of these posts have some truth..........I got out last year after 17 years, a lot of jobs, disappearing jobs, furloughs, and a divorce. Best decision for myself, I'm much better off now, making more money with less stress than I ever did flying. But don't take my advice, you can figure it out yourself.

 

[LR25]

...number of college programs that began churning out a large number of young, single, stary eyed pilots, who were willing to work...

Is that like a stigmatism?

While I agree with some of your points, I don't think the 22 year old college grads are the ones who created the low-paying regional jobs or decided they would undercut the majors. Every trade out there has entry-level jobs, some are just better than others. Has ending my chase for my lifetime dream ever crossed my mind due to the current mess? Hello yeah. The dream jobs are still there (at least today), and until someone tells me that there are no more 747s, 777s, 767s, etc. flying or that they are all being flown by robots, I will continue my quest to make it there. I know it's not the same industry as it once was, but most industries aren't. My 2 lincolns.

Im flying a 747, and I dont see what your statement has to do with what type of airplane your flying.

I live paycheck to paycheck, and untill I upgrade to the left seat, it wont change much from what it is currently.

All Im hoping for it that the industry stays status quoe or improves so I can make it over to the left seat, if not, I to may have to give up the industry.

Granted, I dont work for a major airline, but when are any of us going to make it over there if there is no movement other than a few places?

How many more years do I or anybody caught in limbo have to put in before we can be rewarded for the too many years put in allready?

There probobly is a little truth about the current wages in some parts of the industry. How many here know someone about 10 years ago that paid 10K to fly for ASA, COMAir, etc;

 

[Gorilla]

Punch, hook up with the guy that sold it all, said "screw it" and is now sailing the South Pacific, drinking mai-tais and ogling the natives.

Seroiously, I'd try for an aviation-related, but ground-pounding job.

 

[capt. megadeth]

These guys knowingly try going up the down escalator and slit the throats and step on the necks of those that get in their way. The next job that they will undercut could (will) be yours.

You're ridiculous. I know a few people at "hojets" and they are nice people.....certainly not the me me me types. There are many of those at every carrier.

 

[JP4user]

There are great jobs out there..but it takes work to find them. The end of the airline career for myself was the beginning of an opportunity I never knew would have existed had I not left the 121 world.

I wish I made the move years ago.

 

[apache]

You're ridiculous. I know a few people at "hojets" and they are nice people.....certainly not the me me me types. There are many of those at every carrier.

Death,

I've never had to disagree with you before, but here it is. Your membership as a member of the fairer sex may blind you to be able to distinguish between people that are nice and nice people that make horrible decisions that negatively affect the rest of us.

I don't disagree that there are nice people that work for Hojets. There are also nice people that are in prison, or in Iran, or maybe even in the White House. It doesn't excuse the actions they commit to get what they want.