Time for re-regulation

[Icelandair]

The government tells gas stations they can't sell gas for less than cost. So the fat cat station owners gouge us and pass on the cost and sell gas at an exorbanant rate.

So why can't the government come in and set up minimum pricing that is sustainable for all?

 

[pilotyip]

Yea let us go back to the regulated industry like 1975, 75% less pilots flying, most guys hired by the majors are ex-military like about 85%. The regional industry, SWA outside of Texas, Air Tran, Spirit, do not exist. This means 3 out of 4 pilots presently would probably not have jobs. Is this what we really want?

 

[labbats]

The government tells gas stations they can't sell gas for less than cost. So the fat cat station owners gouge us and pass on the cost and sell gas at an exorbanant rate.

So why can't the government come in and set up minimum pricing that is sustainable for all?

This is what I've been saying all along. You have state mandated minimum pricing for fuel/cigarretes/etc, this would only make sense to fix the airlines too.

 

[cynic]

In a nutshell...

With deregulation you will have greater instability, faster growth and more innovation.

With regulation (only one carrier can fly Miami to NY and you also have to fly to these small cities if you fly that route) you get stability, slower growth and innovation is stifled.


So if you believe that like electricity and sewer service; Transportation is so vitally important we can’t afford the big down cycles that come with deregulation then you should agree that the industry should be regulated. The government would control who flies which routes and how much they can charge.


What we have now is a totally dysfunctional system that stifles growth and innovation while promoting instability. How can Jet Blue compete with other major carriers, flying routes at a loss because the federal government keeps bailing them out.


What we REALLY want is for the government to step fully in and regulate the industry or get the heck out and let American, Delta and United tank.

 

[ToiletDuck]

De-regulation=Inflation within industry

Yea let us go back to the regulated industry like 1975, 75% less pilots flying, most guys hired by the majors are ex-military like about 85%. The regional industry, SWA outside of Texas, Air Tran, Spirit, do not exist. This means 3 out of 4 pilots presently would probably not have jobs. Is this what we really want?

Less pilots because of less travel. Yes there would most likely be a decline in pilots. However this is a better alternative to having the entire industry crash. Sometimes what we want isn't what's actually best for the industry as a whole. If a couple airlines went out of business this would be better for the aviation industry as a whole. While harder to get/find jobs for us. The industry would survive.

During the time of regulation civil aviation was still developing. With the new limits of aircraft today it is reasonable to ask that regulation come back in the sense that it could keep smaller businesses from trying to start up. I think in the airline industry a monopoly isn't such a bad thing.

 

[cezzna]

Economic regualation, the pricing of all routes would work. Let the airlines decide where they want to go. All of this predatory pricing would go away. There would be a decline of pilots and passengers but it would go a long way to helping this industry. Who are we going to lose? Most of the SJS'ers that everyone complains about. We'd get rid of the bottom tier of pax that nobody wants in the airplanes anyway. Send them all back to Wal-Mart and Greyhound where they belong.

 

[scoreboard]

Yes, by all means, lets re-regulate. Its called Communism.

 

[cynic]

Yes, by all means, lets re-regulate. Its called Communism.

Read this out loud right now please.

We tard
I am Sofa King
We tard it

 

[Snakum]

I see that many of us need a bit of remedial Econ 101. However, in a nutshell, cuz I don't have time to edjukate ya'll ... we need true Capitalism. Economic Darwinism ... survival of the fittest. As long as we taxpayers keep bailing out the dinosaurs (you know who they are) the industry will remain on life-support, with everyone operating under Ch 11 to be competitive, pay cuts and outsourcing all around, strike-breaking, etc. Excess capacity and inefficient airlines being propped up are bring everyone down.

Let 'em fold. Tear the old scab off quickly so the healing can begin. Painful ... but necessary.

But then again, I'm just a software geek with an Engineering degree who flies part-time. So whatdoeyeknow?


Minh

 

[scoreboard]

Read this out loud right now please.

We tard
I am Sofa King
We tard it

I did, so whats your point couch potato?

My point is: economic regulation is akin to communism.

Ciao.

 

[MDAutry]

I am always hesitant to allow the government to do anything. The best thing the government can do is nothing. NOTHING... everything they do is a complete screw up. My key point in this debate is the state of the airlines now. What do I mean, well look at who is keeping the airlines together. The government is never the answer. NEVER the answer. Everything on the private side is able to do leaps and bounds better than any govn't program.

If the govn't would get their nose out of the airlines today then it would all work out in the end. The legacies are dying and the only people who don't want to admit it are the people who work for them and I understand why they stand where they do.

 

[Junkflyer]

If most of these guys calling for re-regulation realized that they would lose their jobs, they might change their tune.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

My grandpa used to be the best darned Buggy Whip maker around. Until those darned horseless carriages started popping up all over the place! Drove a good many great Buggy Whip makers out of business. The government really should have regulated the whole mess to keep my grandpa in business. That way I could have followed in his foot steps and I would be making Buggy Whips right now!

 

[ToiletDuck]

Yes, by all means, lets re-regulate. Its called Communism.

Don't forget whatever ratings you're holding are privilages to start with. The govn't already has you by the balls we are just talking about airlines and increasing their dollar per pax per mile.

If most of these guys calling for re-regulation realized that they would lose their jobs, they might change their tune

In the scheme of things this isn't about what pilots want it's about what is best for the industry. An economist would look at the figures and say regulation is better.

 

[Sctt@NJA]

Which economist?