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Recently interviewed at Compass--waiting to hear

Question:

Does anyone know if Northwest Furloughs who bybassed on their first recall are going to accept positions at Compass?

On an old thread it was mentioned that "many" Northwest furloughs have accepted a position at compass, but bypassed the class date. Is this true?

Northwest has made the papers with their poor crew planning and I'm assuming they will recall any remaining furloughs soon. How do you think this will play out?

Rumor mill also has it that NWA will start parking 9's this fall. Compass starts spooling up with two delivery's a month about the same time. What does your crystal ball predict?
 
Recently interviewed at Compass--waiting to hear

Question:

Does anyone know if Northwest Furloughs who bybassed on their first recall are going to accept positions at Compass?

On an old thread it was mentioned that "many" Northwest furloughs have accepted a position at compass, but bypassed the class date. Is this true?

Northwest has made the papers with their poor crew planning and I'm assuming they will recall any remaining furloughs soon. How do you think this will play out?

Rumor mill also has it that NWA will start parking 9's this fall. Compass starts spooling up with two delivery's a month about the same time. What does your crystal ball predict?

I don't have a lot of info on Compass. What I've been told is very few (single digits) NWA furloughees are planning on training at Compass. Hope this helps.
Schwanker
 
Compass was created by NWA so that they can diminish the DC-9 fleet. E-170 is new, but it is still a piece of junk. They will never make planes like DC-9 again. The two planes will do the same mission, but pilots at Compass will get paid considerably less. Do you really want to be a part of that? Compass pilots get a chance to interview at NWA. Do you really want to be a part of that? There might be some pissed off furloughed NWA pilots flying with you. Do you really want to be part of that?
 
Compass was created by NWA so that they can diminish the DC-9 fleet. E-170 is new, but it is still a piece of junk. They will never make planes like DC-9 again. The two planes will do the same mission, but pilots at Compass will get paid considerably less. Do you really want to be a part of that? Compass pilots get a chance to interview at NWA. Do you really want to be a part of that? There might be some pissed off furloughed NWA pilots flying with you. Do you really want to be part of that?

I gotta agree. Compass is just another regional. Look how happy everyone at Mesaba and Pinnacle are, do you think NWA is gonna treat Compass any different?
 
With your ?'s on Compass and NWA. I dont think you should worry about NWA flowbacks at least in the immediate future. They are currently canceling flight cause they dont have enough crews.

The people I know on furlough at NWA have no plans at all to go to Compass. Some are trying to extend their furloughs into extend leave of absences.
 
I gotta agree. Compass is just another regional. Look how happy everyone at Mesaba and Pinnacle are, do you think NWA is gonna treat Compass any different?


Good points,

This would be my third regional

Furloughed XJ (twice), now at Comair about 100-150 from upgrade (after the recent vacancy cancellation). Need PIC time and the MSP base. That's the draw.

Keep the thoughts coming..................
 
Hi!

THere's a post on another website that explains (very techincally) that NWA just found out last week that they don't have enough pilots to fly the October schedule. They were going to hire next year, probably after XMas, and now it looks like they'll need new hires ON LINE by October to avoid a giant mess.

I think your chances of flying for NWA sooner are greater if you DON'T go to Compass. If you need PIC Jet and can go off the street captain at Compass, or you want to stay at Compass for your career, it would make sense to go to Compass now. I believe you have to fly at Compass for 2 1/2 years before you can flow to NWA.

Good Luck!

cliff
YIP

PS-Oh, I just thought of another reason to go to Compass. The -170/175/190/195 type rating is HIGHLY desired over in Asia. If you have the type, and 500 hours in type, you can get a $100K+ captain off the street job over there with great benefits.

They are looking for CRJ/ERJ-170-195/ATR/A-320 captains. They also need larger aircraft pilots for a variety of positions in Asia. You may be able to get -777 captain off the street.
 
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Does anyone know how many Compass has hired to date?
I've been offered an August 8 class; want to know where my seniority will fall....very wary of nwa plans to retire 30 dc-9's after holidays...that's 300 pilots.
How many would flow back? Probably just a few...and will they actually hire soon?

Thanks
 
They are in the mid 40's including the people in training right now.
 
Good points,

This would be my third regional

Furloughed XJ (twice), now at Comair about 100-150 from upgrade (after the recent vacancy cancellation). Need PIC time and the MSP base. That's the draw.

Keep the thoughts coming..................

If you need PIC and MSP base and that is all you care about go back to Mesaba. You would be about that many (100-150) away from upgrade at XJ right away and you would probably get hired into the CRJ in MSP right away.
 
I was in the back on a Midwest flight to MSP last night and we landed on 30L at about Midnight. I was tired and all but I think I saw a E-170 in NWA colors on the signature ramp. Any one confirm if I was seeing things or not? thanks
 
I am pretty sure there is a limit to the number of -9's that can be retired. What I mean is that in NWA pilot contract there is a limit to the number of narrow body aircraft that can leave property. Plus they can only add additional 170's-900's on a one for one basis with new narrow body aircraft. The aircraft mesaba are getting are replacements for the -146.
 
I was in the back on a Midwest flight to MSP last night and we landed on 30L at about Midnight. I was tired and all but I think I saw a E-170 in NWA colors on the signature ramp. Any one confirm if I was seeing things or not? thanks


You were not seeing things!
 
I am pretty sure there is a limit to the number of -9's that can be retired. What I mean is that in NWA pilot contract there is a limit to the number of narrow body aircraft that can leave property. Plus they can only add additional 170's-900's on a one for one basis with new narrow body aircraft. The aircraft mesaba are getting are replacements for the -146.


Anyone have the NWA contract to look up the info?

The 30 retirements after the holiday's--Anyone have more info?
 
They are on the 3rd class as of last week, last count it was 20.

I was told it was in the mid 40's recently by one of their training department guys. Who knows if that was accurate.


Anyone have the NWA contract to look up the info?

This is a summary posted by the NWA MEC some time ago.

A summary of the terms we have negotiated with respect to the 50 seat RJs, the 51-76 seat SJs and the 77-100 seat jets is provided below for your review:

a. RJs certificated for 50 seats or less: There are no limits on the number of such aircraft or on their
ownership or on where they fly (except for a hub bypass restriction and a total block hour limit,
both of which apply to all Feeder Carrier flying).

b. NWA may have SJs configured for 51-76 seats operated at a Feeder Carrier as defined in Section
1 provided:

(1) the maximum certificated seating is 86 seats or less (90 seats for the LR CRJ 900 series);

(2) the number of 51-76 SJs is capped at 55 (the “lower cap”) if they are flown exclusively at a Feeder Carrier that is not an affiliate of NWA. This cap may increase to 90 only if NWA creates an Affiliate (the “upper cap”) and if at least 35 of the 51-76 seat SJs are flown at the NWA Affiliate Feeder Carrier (we have been calling it SJet). Both of these caps include the 35 AVRO-85 aircraft flown at Mesaba with a maximum of 69 seats.

(3) In order for the lower cap of 55 (51-76 seat SJs) to be exceeded, the company must create an Affiliate (SJet) to fly these aircraft. (All 90 could be at SJet)

(4) After the amendable date, the upper cap increases by 3 aircraft per year during the status
quo period, provided there are at least 10 of the 77-110 seat aircraft in active service at the mainline (5 per year during status quo period if at least 15 of the 77-110 seat aircraft).

(5) There are generally no ownership or use restrictions, except for the hub bypass and total
block hour limitations referenced in Section 1 of the work rule summary above.

(6) For each new 77-110 seat aircraft placed into active service at NWA mainline, 1 additional 51-76 seat aircraft can be added to the lower and upper cap, provided that the NWA NB threshold has been met. The NB threshold is the total number of 77-110 seat aircraft and other NWA NB aircraft (DC-9, A-319, 320, B757) in active service as of the date 1 year after NW emerges from C11, minus 10. Given our expectation of growth after emergence the 1 year date seemed to pose little threat.

(7) There is a 1-for-1 peel back penalty provision for 51-76 seat aircraft in the event 77-110 seat aircraft are later removed from service and an automatic return to the cap of 55 if the NB threshold is not maintained. If either of these events occurs NWA must reduce the number of 51-76 seat SJs in service with the NW designator code.

(8) In order to operate more than 55 of the 51-76 seat SJ aircraft the Company must create a new Feeder Carrier Affiliate (SJet) operating under the following provisions:

(a) The Feeder may operate only 50 seat RJ and/or 51-76 seat SJ aircraft for so long as it is an Affiliate of NWA.

(b) All pilot positions on 51-76 seat aircraft shall be made available to laid off Northwest pilots who would like the positions. No NWA pilot will be forced to
fly at SJet.

(c) ALPA is recognized as the representative of SJet.

(d) The Feeder enters into an industry standard contract with ALPA (see item 12 below for the major provisions of the CBA).

(e) NWA must own more than 50% of the Feeder Carrier Affiliate when it starts operating.

(f) NWA must control the Feeder Carrier and retain more than 50% of the ownership, except that if at least 10 of the 77-110 seat jet aircraft are in active
service at NWA mainline, NWA may sell the Feeder Carrier as long as:

1’ all pilot positions continue to be available to laid off Northwest pilots and the Flow Agreement is maintained.

2’ all pilots of the Feeder Carrier (SJet) have the right to transfer to the successor and the Feeder Carrier successor is in compliance with the terms of the successorship provisions of the Feeder Carrier contract.

3’ In the event these provisions are not complied with or the flow rights are modified or terminated, then the maximum number of permitted 51-76 seat jets reverts to the lower cap of 55 SJs and any 51-76 seat SJs in excess of 55 may no longer carry the NW code designator.

(9) 51-76 seat jets may also be operated at NWA mainline at the pay rates established for the Feeder Carrier and the work rules for the 77-110 seat mainline jet aircraft should NWA wish to do so for crew and fleet utilization purposes.

(10) With respect to 51-76 seat aircraft owned, leased or financed by Northwest and placed at
another Feeder Carrier, other than SJet (e.g. Mesaba or Pinnacle), laid off Northwest pilots shall have access to _ of the Captain and _ of the F/O jobs associated with those aircraft.

(11) With respect to 51-76 seat aircraft which are not owned, lease or financed by NWA and are operated by another Feeder Carrier with the NW code (MESA, for ex.), laid off Northwest pilots will have preferential hiring rights at those carriers as the Airline Services Agreements covering those carriers are entered into or amended.
 
Dointime: thanks for posting that contract provision again, and for the numbers.
 
What are the chances of them ever opening a DTW base?
 

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