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Judge: Delta Can Eliminate Pilot Pension
Tuesday September 5, 4:06 pm ET
By Barbara Ortutay, AP Business Writer Judge OKs Termination of Delta Pilots Pension Plan After Group Withdraws Objection
WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (AP) -- A federal bankruptcy judge on Tuesday approved Delta Air Lines Inc.'s request to terminate its pilots' pension plan.
Judge Adlai Hardin's decision came after a splinter group representing retired pilots formally withdrew its objection to the termination of the plan, which included an option for pilots to retire early at the age of 50 and take out half their entitlements in one lump sum payment.
Delta, the nation's third-largest carrier, must still go to the federal government's pension agency, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., to officially end the plan. At that time, the PBGC will take over the plan and pay pilots reduced benefits. The change would be retroactive to Sept. 2.
Delta said current retired pilots would still receive, on average, about $75,200 a year, including the lump sum payment. It did not provide an updated estimate of how much pilots who retire in the future without a lump sum will get.
The carrier told Hardin on Friday it had no choice but to eliminate its pilots' pension plan if it is to come out from bankruptcy and remain afloat.
In a settlement reached on Labor Day, the group representing about 100 retired pilots agreed to pull its objections to the plan's termination on condition that Delta pay $500,000 to the group, known as DP2, to cover fees and expenses.
Delta's active pilots agreed not to object to the termination request as part of a $280-million-dollar-a-year concessions agreement first reached with management in April.
Termination of the pension plan means the end to the ability of Delta pilots who retire in the future to collect half of their pension benefits in a lump sum. That lump sum drove hundreds of pilots to retire, many of them early, before Delta filed for bankruptcy in September 2005. Because of a liquidity shortfall in the pension plan, the lump sum option has not been available since last October.
Delta says it does not have enough money to cover the pilot pensions. As of July 1, the pilot pension plan was projected to have assets of 39 percent of its current liability -- $1.6 billion of assets versus $4.1 billion in liabilities -- according to a Delta court filing from Aug 4.
Atlanta-based Delta has said it hopes to keep the pension plan for its ground workers and flight attendants, which does not have a lump sum option.
Delta hopes to emerge from bankruptcy protection by mid-2007.
UAL Corp.'s United Airlines, the second-largest carrier in the country, terminated its pilots' pension plan in 2004, while it was under bankruptcy protection. A federal judge upheld that termination in June.
(SUBS graf 3 pvs, bgng Delta, the nation's ..., with 2 grafs to correct reference to $75,200 a year is for current retired pilots, not those who would retire under the new terms. PICKS UP graf 4 pvs, The carrier ...; )
 
Clinton appointed judge, 1995.
 
Yes, it suks, but it was expected. Most of our senior pilots were aware of this and about 2300 retired early with half of their pension in a lump sum. The rest of the pilots that could not leave (not 50 years old) did move up in seniority and equipment, and we will share in about $650 million in exchange for the pension drop, plus a 10% DC fund monthly, plus equity in the new company stock initially valued at $2.1 Billion (but in reality about $450 million after investment bankers get ahold of it) which will be divided among the 6000 or so pilots. All in all, if you are young or have time to make it up (I am 41), then maybe you can leave eventually with a good amount. If you are older, well, then you might want to consider buying a Subway franchise and working and eating there on your days off.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
How did the retirees fare, are there some who did not take the lump sum??
 
pkober said:
Clinton appointed judge, 1995.

Who appointed the BK judges that terminated the pensions at US Air, and UAL?

For awhile pilots were blaming ALPA...now I guess we can blme whoever appointed the BK judge?

Tejas
 
Dizel8 said:
How did the retirees fare, are there some who did not take the lump sum??

Not well, I know one that will have to sell his huge house. That is the way it goes these days, a pension is a "promise." Promises, as we all know, can be broken. A lot of people need to save their own money and invest on their own these days, since promises and things like 9-11 happen.

There were some that didn't go, probably because they were in love with being a DL captain and didn't want to leave it, or maybe had kids in college or many ex wives. They aren't fun to fly with these days. It was their choice, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee
 
Just stirring the pot, chill out.

BTW, NWA FA's judge, another Clinton appointee, 1999.
 
and we will share in about $650 million in exchange for the pension drop, plus a 10% DC fund monthly, plus equity in the new company stock initially valued at $2.1 Billion (but in reality about $450 million after investment bankers get ahold of it)


You sound like the lowest of all the whores I've worked with. It's a shame the DL pilots never struck--you will never get your chance to SCAB.
Enjoy your share of the 650
 
JP4user,
Guess who ALPO is? You probably, and me and everyone else at a major or minor. Not some pie in the sky group that's going to save you.....

Past...
 
Dizel8 said:
How did the retirees fare, are there some who did not take the lump sum??

A number did not get a lump sum. They will get the PBGC maximum age 60 benefit of about $29,900. Wow!!! Of course, if they retired early and then they will get enough to qualify food stamps.

Personally, over a period of the next 25 years, Delta stole 1.4 million from me and my family.

Of course DALPA was there all the way, they said they didn't represent the retired pilots. However, they did represent us enough to negotiate a $350.00 monthly increase in medical payments. And they will soon represent us enough to probably negotiate away our medical benefits entirely unless we cough up $700-900.00/month.

DALPA ranks slightly behind the scum and morally corrupt management team at Delta. May they all burn in Hell for eternity!!
 
PastV1 said:
JP4user,
Guess who ALPO is? You probably, and me and everyone else at a major or minor. Not some pie in the sky group that's going to save you.....

Past...

You are right that they-we-them have become nothing but a pie in the sky group.

But I stand by my comment the ALPO and everyone associated have done little if anything to hold the bar. In many ways, the make up and actions of ALPO over the last few years greatly resemble what SCABS do to their fellow pilots.
 
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The "vote"

sleeves said:
This judge is doing what the pilots at Delta want. They approved this by vote.


Not the retired pilots---they had no vote, and were banned from the DALPA forum lest they influence anyone who COULD vote. And the older ones have no lump sum either, since it wasn't available when they retired.:mad:
 
Hey all you NWA biatches, your next. Call Duane and thank him for a job well done. Your union dues really paid off on that pension reform legislation didn't it? Now that you work for regional wages, you will be forking over your pensions as well. Carma at it's best.

TG
 
General Lee said:
All in all, if you are young or have time to make it up (I am 41), then maybe you can leave eventually with a good amount. If you are older, well, then you might want to consider buying a Subway franchise and working and eating there on your days off.

Nice, real nice!
 
General Lee said:
Not well, I know one that will have to sell his huge house. That is the way it goes these days, a pension is a "promise." Promises, as we all know, can be broken. A lot of people need to save their own money and invest on their own these days, since promises and things like 9-11 happen.

There were some that didn't go, probably because they were in love with being a DL captain and didn't want to leave it, or maybe had kids in college or many ex wives. They aren't fun to fly with these days. It was their choice, though.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Another post that has to be "preserved". Hang on to this one y'all.
 
General Lee:
A lot of people need to save their own money and invest on their own these days, since promises and things like 9-11 happen.

There were some that didn't go, probably because they were in love with being a DL captain and didn't want to leave it, or maybe had kids in college or many ex wives. They aren't fun to fly with these days. It was their choice, though.


"It was their choice, though." What a great statement, it must be a very comforting feeling to be so smug and sure of yourself.

Sometimes in life you don't have a choice. Those that didn't go probably couldn't, it certainly wasn't love for an airline managed by a morally corrupt and inept management team that kept them at Delta. Perhaps a handicapped child, children beginning college, medical bills, bad investments, the loss of a pension plan or a natural disaster that kept them from leaving. A person doesn't start out in life knowing they are going to have these problems, you do the very best you can trying to manage a family, the finances, saving for the future, giving you kids a good education and giving your best to flying. But no matter what you do, sometimes life just turns on you.

Don't think for one minute those decisions you are making now will be the right ones that ensure your future.

In 19 years, when you reach retirement, let me know how your life turned out.
 
TinGoose1 said:
Hey all you NWA biatches, your next. Call Duane and thank him for a job well done. Your union dues really paid off on that pension reform legislation didn't it? Now that you work for regional wages, you will be forking over your pensions as well. Carma at it's best.

TG

Does anyone really think Duane Worthless cares about our salaries. He makes over $500,000/yr (www.unionfacts.com). So it looks like all the pay cuts at the airlines really hurt him and the other ALPO bigwigs also, not.
 
warbirdfinder said:
General Lee:
A lot of people need to save their own money and invest on their own these days, since promises and things like 9-11 happen.

There were some that didn't go, probably because they were in love with being a DL captain and didn't want to leave it, or maybe had kids in college or many ex wives. They aren't fun to fly with these days. It was their choice, though.

"It was their choice, though." What a great statement, it must be a very comforting feeling to be so smug and sure of yourself.

Sometimes in life you don't have a choice. Those that didn't go probably couldn't, it certainly wasn't love for an airline managed by a morally corrupt and inept management team that kept them at Delta. Perhaps a handicapped child, children beginning college, medical bills, bad investments, the loss of a pension plan or a natural disaster that kept them from leaving. A person doesn't start out in life knowing they are going to have these problems, you do the very best you can trying to manage a family, the finances, saving for the future, giving you kids a good education and giving your best to flying. But no matter what you do, sometimes life just turns on you.

Don't think for one minute those decisions you are making now will be the right ones that ensure your future.

In 19 years, when you reach retirement, let me know how your life turned out.

Well, I will try to stay with my current wife and not buy a big boat and golf cart in Peachtree City. I am already off to a better start that most of those captains. But, I also know that things can go wrong at any moment, and I am trying to prepare the best I can. Thank gawd my wife has a good job.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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