* The * USAPA love thread!

Dornier 335

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Aug 3, 2005
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After multiple futile attempts in creating a USAPA hate thread I decided to use some positive energy in order to protect this thread from cruel and unfair deletion. This is the new happy place! This is where we all sit together, singing songs and holding hands. This is the place where we listen to Grumpy's stories and don't mind waiting in line for over 24 hours just to put us on the waiting list to spend one night at the General's basement.

Look no further!

Let's start with this piece of news:

(epic fail)

Merger Committee Update - Protocol Agreement Tentative Agreement

The Merger Committee has reached a Tentative Agreement (TA) on a Proposed Protocol Agreement (PA) with the APA and the Company. *****The Merger Committee, including counsel (Pat Szymanski and Bill Wilder) will strongly recommend the BPR approve the TA at this week's Special BPR Meeting. We have attached the TA to this email, and encourage you to read it.

The TA satisfies all of the issues that existed with the previous proposals from the APA which led to our impasse and to the McCaskill-Bond lawsuit in the DC Federal District Court. *****It guarantees:

The right of our pilots under McCaskill-Bond to a Seniority List Integration (SLI) through arbitration before a panel of three impartial arbitrators based on the ?fair and equitable? standard.

Selection of the three-member SLI panel of arbitrators by the USAPA Merger Committee and the APA Merger Committee through a fair procedure and without any participation by the Company.

APA will not interfere in any way with the USAPA Merger Committee. *****Our Merger Committee will be able to represent our pilots without any interference or oversight by APA.

The relationship between the USAPA Merger Committee and USAPA will not be affected by the certification of APA as the collective bargaining representative by the NMB. *****Our Merger Committee will continue to be responsible to USAPA and the BPR, and not to APA or other parties.

The USAPA Merger Committee is a party to the Protocol Agreement and the Protocol Agreement cannot be changed without the agreement of all parties, including the USAPA Merger Committee.*****

The status quo at the beginning of the SLI procedure is three lists ? East, West and American. *****This excludes the Nicolau Award, which has been found in multiple federal lawsuits to not be part of the status quo.

The $4 million in Company reimbursement for merger expenses under the MOU will be equally shared by the Merger Committees.

The Merger Committees will certify the accuracy of their seniority lists.

The Merger Committees will immediately begin meeting with respect to certification of seniority lists, fleet and other information, in an effort to eliminate issues that otherwise would need to be presented in arbitration.

The TA does not create a separate merger committee for former America West Pilots. *****The TA instead establishes an orderly and exclusive process for having any alleged claims concerning such a committee considered before a separate preliminary panel of three impartial arbitrators, after APA is certified, and prior to any hearings by the main McCaskill-Bond Board of Arbitration. *****This provision drops the dispute currently pending before the United States District Court for the District of Columbia and puts it before a separate panel of three impartial and experienced labor arbitrators. *****USAPA and the USAPA Merger Committee are parties in that process and retain all arguments and positions with respect to the existence of such a separate committee, including that Judge Silver decided the McCaskill-Bond Amendment does not give any subgroup of US Airways pilots a right to separate representation in the McCaskill-Bond process.

The Merger Committee and its Counsel strongly believe the TA is a positive agreement for our pilots, which guarantees a fair and equitable SLI process that is not controlled by APA. *****We believe this comprehensive and enforceable seniority process agreement is far superior to continuing litigation which will lead to further delay and expense in the SLI process, and takes away the risk that we may not be successful in the lawsuit. *****In short, we believe the best interests of our pilots is in having a guaranteed written agreement that ensures a fair process, free from APA?s unilateral control, rather than risking the uncertainty of litigation.

So why the delay over the last several weeks? *****Because of a single issue concerning the implementation timing of the final SLI award. *****The PA proposed by the APA and the Company before the August 12 BPR Meeting provided that the final SLI award would be implemented ?as soon as practicable.? *****Following the August 12 meeting, USAPA proposed a change in paragraph 16 to say that implementation would be ?as determined by the Board of Arbitration.? *****After considerable back-and-forth with APA and the Company, the Merger Committee reached tentative agreement on the following version of paragraph 16:

The integrated seniority list resulting from the process established by the MOU and this Protocol Agreement shall be implemented under the Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement as soon as operationally feasible following the date the final award is issued or the date the FAA issues a single operating certificate covering the carriers, whichever is later. *****Upon receipt of the final award, the Company will promptly meet with the APA and the Merger Committees to discuss the process and timing for implementation of the final award. *****After these discussions occur, if a dispute arises regarding whether the Company?s implementation of the final award meets the ?as soon as operationally feasible? standard set forth herein, such dispute may be submitted to the Board of Arbitration for resolution. (emphasis added)

In addition to this language expressly giving authority over implementation disputes to the Arbitration Board, paragraph 14 of the Protocol Agreement gives express continuing authority to the Arbitration Board over implementation disputes that may come up after the SLI award is effective. *****In the judgment of the Merger Committee and counsel (Pat Szymanski and Bill Wilder) this provision is fully sufficient to prevent the Company from delaying implementation. *****The parties will discuss implementation as soon as the final award is issued and any party (including the USAPA Merger Committee) will be able to immediately refer a dispute to the panel if they are not satisfied with the Company?s proposed schedule.

The alternative to entering this SLI Protocol Agreement is litigation, which is uncertain, time consuming, and expensive. *****A Protocol Agreement will guarantee the important protections listed above. *****Litigation will not, particularly if it is unsuccessful. *****In short, it is the considered judgment of the Merger Committee and counsel (both Pat Szymanski and Bill Wilder) that the attached Protocol Agreement fully protects the interests of our pilots while pursuing litigation has significant risk and does not. *****The BPR will be briefed this week at a Special BPR Meeting. *****After being fully briefed, they will vote to approve or reject the PA. *****We will strongly urge the BPR to approve the Protocol Agreement TA as we believe it is in the best interest of our pilots. *****We encourage our pilots to contact their BPR representatives to discuss this important issue that will affect all of our seniority rights.

USAPA Merger Committee
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Dan Roman

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Apr 10, 2004
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It sure seems like APA is probably the worst nightmare a rookie union with no national support could face. Good luck guys, but I'm thinking this will drag out for a very long time.


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Feb 3, 2002
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CLT Chairman is voting no, according to his update and says the update from the merger comittee is bs. lol. USTUPID going out of business with even more disfunction.

General Lee

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Aug 24, 2002
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A lot

Bye Bye---General Lee