the unfathomable:regional crew attempted takeoff with one engine turning

[buscap]

Got to disagree with you here. NO it's NOT proper. You tell them face to face that you're uncomfortable, THEN you contact your pro stans people, who will then contact their pro stans people.

Keep the FAA the ******************** out of it.

We agree to disagree, but at least it's simply that.

I do see where folks on your side are coming from though.

I could be wrong here, but I believe proper ASAP and Nasa reporting, along with full disclosure and absolutely no hint of a cover up, will result in the crew being protected and any system inadequacies properly addressed.

Ask me again next week, after I've made the same mistake. I will most likely feel differently.

But that is how I generally fly, as if mistakes like this are lurking on every single flight, because they are. I bare the constant rolled eyes and ygtbfkM glances from FOs when I insist on a transfer of controls for even visual approach briefs; I simply smile when they think I'm rude for not wanting to talk about hot FAs while we taxi.

It's not arrogance; it's a recognition of my own limitations. And a recognition that nearly every flight has a deadhead pilot, commuting pilot, or FED in the back. And If I do something which scares the jeepers out of those guys, they are going to report it. It's that simple. I would rather they gave me a pass and didn't report it, but I certainly can't blame them if they do.

Now, going to the press most certainly is bad form.

 

[dojetdriver]

AGAIN, disagree. Let me clarify;

Doing the right thing is sometimes painful

It is painful. The RIGHT thing would have been to voice his concerns to the crew, like a professional,. The next step would have been to call pro stans at his firs convenience. BOTH of those would have been painful, going to the FEDs/media was just cowardly. And dare I say, easier.

oing to the faa is actually proper, just as the crew should Nasa or Asap, but going to the press means he is nothing more than an undesirable alternative to a turd sandwich.

NO, it's not proper. The crew fills out the NASA/ASAP, that's how the FAA finds out. When the company does the voluntary disclosure for the purpose of data collection, dissemination, tracking, and making airlines safer. NOT through the means the FAA did here.

I could be wrong here, but I believe proper ASAP and Nasa reporting, along with full disclosure and absolutely no hint of a cover up, will result in the crew being protected and any system inadequacies properly addressed.

So do I, see above.

Now, going to the press most certainly is bad form.

As was going straight to the FAA. Doesn't matter if you were a mainline pilot in the back in uniform, OR another pilot in uniform who more than likely was on a paid ticket, has NO airline experience, tries to pawn himself off as a "legacy pilot", etc.

 

[pipejockey]

Avbug is... unique... and he rubs most people the wrong way. He's rarely wrong about something,

Yes, he seems to be quite the legend in his own mind!!
And I think totally :nuts:

 

[flynryan15]

There is a right way and a wrong way to handle these situations, and going to the feds, but worse yet the media should be the last resort. If you went through all other channels and still felt the issue was not being handled correctly then maybe you contact the FAA, but never the media. Instead you went directly to faa/media and never let the system of checks and balances run its course. The more that the faa gets involved the less pilots will self disclose events and mistakes and the less we all will learn.

 

[Lear70]

Pipe... be nice.

 

[crj567]

I just can't wait to see this buffoon on "the Situation Room" with that bearded retard! It is gonna be priceless! Maybe Anderson Cooper can get a couple more "aviation experts" who have almost made it their first solo to chime in with their sage wisdom!!

-Bring some popcorn!

 

[say again]

you cock$uckers don't want to let this die do you.

pipejockey,
the fear swept through the cabin after they attempted the takeoff...it was no calmly "oh, we have zero thrust" they thought they had full thrust.

after 9/11, stories of drunk pilots, the roller coaster ride we had, dead bodies on snowy nights, it was a gut reaction and one made out of air safety.

there is all this talk about air safety and getting you there as safely as possible, but what about terrorizing the pax before you leave the ground?
yes they were upset. about six in the back that confirmed what we all heard

if you read earlier, I said I emailed a journalist friend....not interested unless people die or there's damage , or official "incident" if we had run off the runway, sure.....if you consider the evolution of marvin renslow's career, I simply thought I was flying with his cousin....that's all

it's water under the damn now....they'll do their mia copa and go on...
i don't give a crap.....

two final points- there's always an A$$hole spellchecker on FI and
a nutjob who wants to threaten violence and reprisals....this was not major airline flying, it was amatuer, private pilot working on his multi flying......put this way...if I ever saw this coX$ucker up front again and I was with the wife and kids...i'd run for the bar....I'll never fly with him again....

Again, proving yourself to be a complete a-hole. You can rationalize what you did all you want, doesn't change the fact of you being a complete POS

 

[crj567]

you cock$uckers don't want to let this die do you.

pipejockey,
the fear swept through the cabin after they attempted the takeoff...it was no calmly "oh, we have zero thrust" they thought they had full thrust.

after 9/11, stories of drunk pilots, the roller coaster ride we had, dead bodies on snowy nights, it was a gut reaction and one made out of air safety.

there is all this talk about air safety and getting you there as safely as possible, but what about terrorizing the pax before you leave the ground?
yes they were upset. about six in the back that confirmed what we all heard

if you read earlier, I said I emailed a journalist friend....not interested unless people die or there's damage , or official "incident" if we had run off the runway, sure.....if you consider the evolution of marvin renslow's career, I simply thought I was flying with his cousin....that's all

it's water under the damn now....they'll do their mia copa and go on...
i don't give a crap.....

two final points- there's always an A$$hole spellchecker on FI and
a nutjob who wants to threaten violence and reprisals....this was not major airline flying, it was amatuer, private pilot working on his multi flying......put this way...if I ever saw this coX$ucker up front again and I was with the wife and kids...i'd run for the bar....I'll never fly with him again....

-Better bone up on the Latin before Blitzer!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mea_culpa

-Damn-you really are not very bright.

P.S. The reason there are so many "spell checkers" around here is that some of us prefer to communicate via the written word. It is very difficult for us to continually witness babbling retardation from people such as yourself. It is our sincere hope that people like you enroll in the nearest remedial English course and become adept enough at communicating using the English language that we can one day hope to make enough sense of your posts to ascertain exactly what the hell you mean.

I am sorry, but I failed to pick up the "babbling retardation" course from Rosetta Stone. Maybe I would be more apt to interpret the crap you post here-if I had just undergone more formal training in the ancient art and science of retardation.......

I did see one of those courses at the airport kiosk, but thought to myself-"Why even bother? Babbling Retardation is a dying language." Every time I see a post such as the gem quoted above; I am forced to ask myself whether my presumption as to the demise of your native tongue is in fact correct.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Jesus Christ, accepted a takeoff clearance with only one engine running. Knuckleheads!

On the other hand, RealManOfGenius, calling the FAA and notifying the media is quite excessive. Remember, you were a guest on their flight. A jumpseater is listed as an additional crew member, so in the cockpit, you help look out for other traffic, help monitor the radios and that sort of thing. If you have a problem, as an additional crew member, you talk about it with the crew before you call the authorities. Other than that, you keep your mouth shut. If you're riding in the cabin, don't cause a scene and upset the other passengers. If you must, send a note to the Captain, via the flight attendant. He'll get it in 10 seconds. If you were so "attentive" to not hearing the other engine being started, you should have noted the engine not running while taking the runway, then rang your f/a call button and have the f/a call the cockpit before they started rolling. Notifying the media was not the right thing to do. The media is evil, remember that.

RealManOfGenious, I would be pissed too. But it's obvious they simply forgot, due to fatigue or whatever other unknown reasons. I know, that's no excuse and what they did was a very very stupid mistake that should not have happened. You're making it out like they intentionally tried to "kill you". Well, they didn't. Pilots don't intentionally do this sort of thing. I think they should file an ASAP report, get pulled off their line and have a meeting with the chief pilot resulting in some pretty strict discipline. They do not deserve to have an FAA incident on their record or their names on CNN because of you.

There is really no "retraining" on this, as some of you have suggested. How do you "retrain" on the fact that you need all engines operating before you take off.

 

[LearCrj]

Pilots shouldn't have to be trained to start both engines prior to takeoff, much less REtrained

Agreed and pilots should not have to be trained to not land on taxiway M in ATL (DELTA), much less REtrained. Pilots should not have to be trained to not overfly the airport or land in Brussels instead of Frankfurt (Northwest), much less REtrained.