The true leader of the industry

[lowtimedriver]

Source?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/182471_airbusproblem17.html

 

[Camembert]

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/182471_airbusproblem17.html

If it's from a tabloid journalist then it must be true. The A380 will prove to be a magnificient airplane, just wait and see for yourself. Soon Europe will be the first world power and leader of the free world thanks to the French.

 

[Camembert]

Did the French invent the jet engine also?

No, I believe that was a Brit. The French just made its best use with Airbus.

 

[AdamKooper]

No, I believe that was a Brit. The French just made its best use with Airbus.

Actually it was a Germans, you know the real brains behind airbus.

 

[flyer172r]

Actually it was a Germans, you know the real brains behind airbus.

Well, the Germans flew the first jet airplane shortly before France became a part of Germany for a few years, so maybe he'll decide to take credit for that too.

 

[Camembert]

Brit, German, it doesn't matter I know it wasn't a French. Germany might have invided France 60+ years ago, but the European Union still started with an alliance between the French and the Germans within 10 years of WWII. What matters is the present, which is a time when the French dominates the aviation industry. Soon Air France will dominate the market in the US too, as this video explains.

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/scp_v3/viewer/index.php?pid=16012&rn=49750&cl=275103&ch=49799&src=


This is for the best of everyone of you; soon Americans will have the opportunity to fly an Airbus for Air France coast to coast.

 

[AdamKooper]

Brit, German, it doesn't matter I know it wasn't a French. Germany might have invided France 60+ years ago...

and 80+ years ago and 130+ years ago and that little era known as the holy roman empire. But don't worry Camembert, while France may be the butt of many jokes those limeys in england aren't much better.

 

[pilotyip]

They have to come to the US, there is no place to fly to in France, just think Air France US, starting F/O $100K/yr, 3 yr Capt $300K/yr and they don't have to haul any passengers because the government taxes it citizens to ensure the pilots high wages. You guys ought to be cheering for Air France to start ops in the US as soon as possible.

 

[Camembert]

Why all the yea France stuff with the Airbus, it not most of the bus built someplace else, like the US, Germany, England, Spain, Italy, etc. and the France are only final assembly. Something anyone can do if they have the parts.

France outsources all of the simple things so that we can focus on doing the quality work here. We don't want to waste our time and energy on all of the grunt work. Just like all your American car makers build their cars in Mexico and Canada. Except that Airbus is better quality than an American car.

 

[Camembert]

They have to come to the US, there is no place to fly to in France, just think Air France US, starting F/O $100K/yr, 3 yr Capt $300K/yr and they don't have to haul any passengers because the government taxes it citizens to ensure the pilots high wages. You guys ought to be cheering for Air France to start ops in the US as soon as possible.

You are finally starting to get it, Pilotyip. That is my whole point why you and your fellow American pilots should consider applying with Air France. Air France serves more than 200 destinations worldwide. It is the best job security, benefits and pay in the industry because Air France pilots are the best. Bottom line is, if you are not an Air France pilot you are not the best. Plus you will be able to secure your retirement, something you won't see at US airlines.

 

[TSA145]

An American is vacationing in London, stops to have a few beers at a local pub. After a while he leaves and starts to walk around the neighborhoods of the city. He nedds to pee and can't find a public restroom. He then finds a tree and pulls his pants down. At that time a Brit cop taps him and asks him what he is doing. He says "I'm sorry officer I really needed to pee and can't find a public restroom". Cop says follow me. He shows him an entrance to an alley and opens a door. "You can pee here". The American is happy and pees all over. After he is done he thanks the officer and comments "I guess this is what you call British hospitality", the officer replies "No, this is what we call the french embassy"

 

[mdanno808]

Yeah, those 340 pilots in YYZ were top notch.

http://www.geocities.com/wallacejohnus/

Air France strikes a lot, but still less that bagage handlers at CDG. Air France pilots strike in order to keep the best pay and contract in the industry to mirror their level of professionalism. Air France pilots are the best pilots of the industry and it is necessary for them to be compensated accordingly. In the US pilots accept paycuts and lose their benefits probably because they are not as good as Air France pilots. That is why if you come to work at Air France you will 1) be trained to be the best of the industy, 2) you will not race to the bottom and retain the compensation you are worth, and 3) you will be flying the best airplanes of the industry, the Airbus.

 

[front9]

Jr. Airbus pilot - Whats it doing now?
Sr. Airbus pilot - Its doing that Sh!t again

 

[Big Dog]

I agree with you frenchy that the A380 will be pretty cool, when they eventually get done with their test program. But mark my words here, much like the Concord, it'll be a commercial flop. It'll see some service in Asia where high density/high capacity is the rule, but other markets will not be able to sustain it. Look where the industry is going, smaller planes, more departures per day. It simply won't be able to compete in costs with the big twins. Even if Airbus sells them for $1. And Boeing will be there with the 787 to pick up the pieces...like usual.

 

[Camembert]

I agree with you frenchy that the A380 will be pretty cool, when they eventually get done with their test program. But mark my words here, much like the Concord, it'll be a commercial flop. It'll see some service in Asia where high density/high capacity is the rule, but other markets will not be able to sustain it. Look where the industry is going, smaller planes, more departures per day. It simply won't be able to compete in costs with the big twins. Even if Airbus sells them for $1. And Boeing will be there with the 787 to pick up the pieces...like usual.

You are talking about 2 separate markets: domestic and oversees. The A380 is designed for the oversees market that currently requires a fuel stop (such as Asia to the east coast, Europe to Australia). It will be able to do it in one shot. The Wal-Mart like composite 787 is a replacement to the 757-767 in one airplane to do both domestic and regular oversees flying at a smaller capacity. Airbus is designing the A350 in response to the 787. It will be something in between the A320 and A330. You will notice that the airlines who bought the A380 have super long range markets or a lot of cargo to haul. Air France was not interested in the A380 right away. That is why Airbus will dominate. There was a need for that market that Boeing ignored for too long. Then on top of that, the A350 will be similar enough to the smaller family of Airbus to use the same pilots, sims, parts, etc. It will be economical enough without having to be Wal-Mart like composite junk like the 787. Airbus will be there with the A350 to pick up the pieces...like usual. In 7 years from now Air France will be providing non-stop service from JFK to LAX and SFO.

 

[414Flyer]

Actually it was a Germans, you know the real brains behind airbus.

Not unless Whittle is a German name

 

[AdamKooper]

Not unless Whittle is a German name

Whittle was number 2

The name hans von ohan ring a bell? He's noted as the man who invented the jet engine.

 

[414Flyer]

Whittle had the patent first and was the first to get one running.

 

[AdamKooper]

Whittle had the patent first and was the first to get one running.

There was a war going on so the patent really had no meaning. The consensus was that Ohan was the first.

 

[414Flyer]

Who had one running first?

I realize they were not in a competition, and not even aware of each others idea. But not sure how you can say Whittle was #2, when his was going first. Neither was a war going on from 1930-37 timeframe between UK and Germany.

 

[AdamKooper]

Who had one running first?

I realize they were not in a competition, and not even aware of each others idea. But not sure how you can say Whittle was #2, when his was going first.

I believe ohan was the first to use it. Not to mention when whittle ran his engine he could barley keep it from blowing up.

 

[414Flyer]

I believe ohan was the first to use it. Not to mention when whittle ran his engine he could barley keep it from blowing up.

Maybe so, but Whittle still had it going first. Your original comment would have been correct if it was about the Germans having a jet airplane first, but it was about the invention of the jet engine.

Yes, they both pioneered it, and the Germans had a jet plane flying first. But on a timeline basis, I would give it to Whittle for running one first.

 

[Camembert]

Air Commodore Sir Frank Whittle, OM, KBE (1 June 1907–9 August 1996) was a Royal Air Force officer who invented the jet engine. Due to funding and manufacturing problems, Hans von Ohain of Germany was able to beat him to production models, but Whittle's work and tireless efforts to produce his designs given official disinterest are legendary. Whittle and Ohain met after the war, and initially Whittle was angry with him as he felt Ohain had stolen his ideas. Ohain eventually convinced him that his work was truly independent, and after that point the two became good friends.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Whittle

On January 16, 1930, in England Frank Whittle (see Aircraft apprentice) submitted patents for his own design for a full-scale aircraft engine (granted in 1932). In 1935 Hans von Ohain started work on a similar design in Germany, seemingly unaware of Whittle's work.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_engine#History


I recomend reading the second link, it is very instructive.

 

[Camembert]

Just like I said, the Brits made the first jet engine and the French invented the airplane before the Wright brothers. The plane was called the éole.

it is known the first practical self-powered aeroplanes were designed and constructed by Clément Ader. On October 9, 1890, Ader attempted to fly the Éole, which succeeded in taking off and flying a distance of approximately 50 meters before witnesses. In August 1892 the Avion II flew for a distance of 200 metres, and on October 14, 1897, Avion III flew a distance of more than 300 metres.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airplane#History

On October 9, 1890, Ader attempted a flight the Éole, which succeeded in taking off and flying a distance of approximately 50m before witnesses. However, the plane then crashed and was wrecked. It was the first self-propelled flight in history.

Following the wreck of the Éole, Ader undertook the construction of an aircraft he called the Avion II (also referred to as the Zephyr or Éole II). Most sources agree that work on this aircraft was never completed, and it was abandoned in favour of the Avion III, However, Ader claimed in later life that he flew the Avion II in August 1892 for a distance of 200 yards (200 m) in Satory. Clement Ader Avion No3 in flight (1897 photograph). With the backing of the French War office, Ader developed and constructed the Avion III. It was like an enormous bat of linen and wood, with a 16-yard wingspan, equipped with two puller propellers of four blades, each powered by a steam engine of 30 hp (22 kW). After extensive taxi tests, Ader attempted a flight at Satory on October 14, 1897. Some witnesses contend that the Avion rolled, took off towards the sky and, before the official commission, flew a distance of more than 300 yards (300 m), while others contend that the Avion III crashed before even taking off. In any event, the commission was not impressed and withdrew its funding, but kept the results secret. After the Wright brothers made their flight, the commission released reports on Ader's flights, stating that they were successful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Ader

On October 9 1890, the machine achieved a short flight of around 50 m (164 ft) at the Chateau d'Armainvilliers in Brie. The aircraft reached a height of around 20 cm (8 in). The poor power-to-weight ratio of the steam engine meant that this hop was around the best result that could be hoped for from such a design, but witnesses to the event felt that better results could have been achieved in better weather. The machine also lacked any means for the pilot to control the direction of flight. Ader later claimed to have flown the Éole again in September 1891, this time to a distance of 100 m (328 ft), but this claim is less substantiated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éole

 

[bocefus]

"the CEO is French." You might want to get an update. Things were trending downwards at Airbus and Noel has moved on. The CEO is now German.

 

["GO AROUND"]

What airports in the U.S.(besides MEM) and the world are going to make the changes to accomodate the 380? I know the busiest airport, ATL, told them to pound sand unless Air France or Airbus are going to pay the Millions of $$ to upgrade the runways, taxiways, and gates. Not economically feasible what so ever. Even with the alliance between DAL and AF.

Have they figured out how to board and deplane the 380 in a normal amout of time? Last I heard they were estimating 45 minutes to over an hour to get 550 people on or off. Yeah, that's what I want to do, spend 10-14 hrs on an airplane and have to wait another hour to get off. Brilliant!

The 380 is going to be one of the biggest face plants in passenger carrying aviation history. Cargo will probably do ok though. Hope FedEx, UPS and the others will buy enough to break even but I doubt it. Cause after it fails to meet all the promises to its customers the future orders will be cancelled. I see a boneyard of new 380's that never were delivered.

 

[V1cutsrfun]

Hey, Camembert do you speak German, No...your welcome

The streets of paris are lined with trees so the Germans can March in the shade.

The French couldn't win a single war...they even tied their own civil war (revolution)

The A380 is a lost cause and will nver bring a profit to Airbus, ( it will take 360 SOLD copies to break even Corporate wellfare keeps the Bus in business, If not REAL caprialisnm would have forced them to confrom to real world pressures years ago.

The Frech SUCK hind tit:angryfire :uzi:

 

[737 Pylt]

How foolish of all to ignore what is true. The French did indeed have a sophisticated new radar during the first gulf war that was able to see the US stealth fighters. I however do understand that it is easier for you to ignore and do sarcasm instead of admiting that France can be better than you. After all the majors are not for everyone. I promise I won't hurt your feelings too much since you are poor instructors not even at a regional yet.

Oh and fromage is just a wannabe French; I am not related to him.

Bottom line is the French rule this industry whether you like it or not.

I hear you guys are good at burning down your neighborhoods! Keep up the good work!
Is it true that the French Olympics had to be cancelled because every time the start gun was fired, your athletes kept surrendering??
737

 

[lowtimedriver]

That wasn't the F-117 they were picking up on their radar, that was the LGB right before it blew their great radar system to kingdom come. Camebert will probably next contend that Renault is the greatest car manufacturer in the world. BTW, is there any type of record of US versus French aircraft in air to air combat? I remember in the Battle of Bekka Valley didn't Israel shoot down like 90 aircraft in one day? I am sure most were Migs, but did they shoot down any of the fantastic French aircraft? How many French fighters did the US shoot down in Gulf I & II?

 

[pilotyip]

Air France motto when on strike every other year, "Let them fly United"