The Teamsters can go to Hell

[OB-CPO]

Remove the IB from in front of the teamsters. Fuc* em.

 

[Prop2Jet]

Lets hope the boys in Chicago don't read this thread!

 

[Diesel]

Yeah my 60 percent raise and 40k in retro really makes me hate the teamsters. HAAA

 

[cocknbull]

Yeah my 60 percent raise and 40k in retro really makes me hate the teamsters. HAAA

Looks like you may be a NetJet guy. Congrats on the great joband sound contract, however many of the guys who worked extremely hard on your contract told me that the Teamsters did nothing but take money, infact they tried to give you a lawyer who had no experience with airline contracts. If you want to thank someone for it, thank your fellow pilots.

Good Luck

Teamsters

 

[h25b]

While I certainly can agree that ALPA and D. Worthless need to go, I have to say that unions are much like insurance agencies and are only as good as the local agents. The national organization just provides the basic tools and its up to your local/MEC to get 'r done...

So to say that the entire organization sucks is misinformed. But then again, I think this thread is just about the GJ pilots voting in the Teamsters and some misguided fool actually thinking that a union should decline representing them. It's all about the dues and money.

 

[GogglesPisano]

I've used both and prefer ALPA.

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Huh????

So to say that the entire organization sucks is misinformed. But then again, I think this thread is just about the GJ pilots voting in the Teamsters and some misguided fool actually thinking that a union should decline representing them. It's all about the dues and money.

Why would a union (IBT) want to represent an airline (Gaux Jet) that sole purpose is to circumvent a union (ALPA) contract at another airline (TSA)?

 

[Motive Flow]

Why would a union (IBT) want to represent an airline (Gaux Jet) that sole purpose is to circumvent a union (ALPA) contract at another airline (TSA)?

That's easy: Money.

It's all about the Benjamins, baby!
(Or in this case Washingtons):laugh:

 

[FlyinScotsman]

That's easy: Money.

It's all about the Benjamins, baby!
(Or in this case Washingtons):laugh:

DING!!! DING!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!

Candy!!!!:..... Please show our wonderful contestant what he has won!!!

Candy: Well, mister announcer he has won a satisfying career in the regional airline biz. He will get to fly state of the art jets for pennies! Live out of a suitcase for days at a time! Work until he is so tired he just might kill up to 90+ peole in his shiny jet! He might even met the girl of his dreams who will be serving drinks in the back(unknown to him she serves everyone, not just him, but he won't figure that out until the divorce papers are served!)


The crowd: YEA! APPLAUSE! WHOOO!!!!

 

[h25b]

Why would a union (IBT) want to represent an airline (Gaux Jet) that sole purpose is to circumvent a union (ALPA) contract at another airline (TSA)?

Congratulations on the most naive post to date... uke:

You probably think religion isn't a business either. And before you bash me as a non-believer, I just saw one of those high profile religious guru's getting of a Gulfstream a couple months ago.

 

[dkwid]

about the GJ pilots voting in the Teamsters and some misguided fool actually thinking that a union should decline representing them.

That is exactly the position of the MEC and the pilots of Horizon Airlines. So you would have to include all of us in you "misguided fool" tag.

 

[FlyinScotsman]

Congratulations on the most naive post to date... uke:

You probably think religion isn't a business either. And before you bash me as a non-believer, I just saw one of those high profile religious guru's getting of a Gulfstream a couple months ago.

A little to quick on the judgement trigger buddy. See my previous post.

Don't get me started on religion!

 

[h25b]

A little to quick on the judgement trigger buddy. See my previous post.

Don't get me started on religion!

Apologies... However you'd be amazed how many guys on here are actually that stupid...

 

[h25b]

That is exactly the position of the MEC and the pilots of Horizon Airlines. So you would have to include all of us in you "misguided fool" tag.

Believe whatever you want, but the cold hard reality is that any union would jump at the chance of any additional dues paying members. They could care less what whipsaw they are a part of. It's a business. If you don't believe me check out the ALPA national payroll to see how much these goons are getting paid to oversee the disaster that has become our profession.

 

[Dodge]

Of course it's about the dues and the money. Why do you think ALPA let all the scabs and CO come back to the good graces of the union? For their great piloting or their dedcation? Naw, they need monies.

 

[pilotmyf]

Remove the IB from in front of the teamsters. Fuc* em.

Sounds like a laker

 

[SlapShot]

They can have the Teamsters. They deserve each other. One scum bag outfit serving another.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

And h25b shows again. I don't care what he says, the guy has got be Geux Jet management or have a buddy there or family. If the subject comes up, you can bet he'll be there, "The Defender of Geux Jet!"

For me the issue is dead. There have been allusions that from TSA management that, "Everything is negotiable." What that means for contract talks, who knows. I just keep my head down and continue to go to work but your apologist stuff baffles me. Is that the word "scab" is used incorrectly? Or do you just like to pick fights?

I'm loyal to my company and owner first and ALPA second since my paycheck comes from the company and ALPA only takes it, but what the company did was a clear middle finger at everything the pilot group had done to win back the United flying. Why defend it?

 

[theo]

That is exactly the position of the MEC and the pilots of Horizon Airlines. So you would have to include all of us in you "misguided fool" tag.

OK you have been included!

 

[TSA Pilot]

Not all the Teamsters are bad. At least the Horizon MEC and its pilots sees g0jet for what it is. They sent a letter expressing their dismay for accepting them into the Teamsters. Thanks for your support guys! CONTRACT 2006!

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Mr. Don Treichler
Director, Airline Division, IBT
6242 Westchester, Suite 250
Los Angeles, CA 90045

February 7, 2006


Mr. Treichler:


We are writing to express our dismay over the International Brotherhood of Teamsters local 618's recent decision to represent the pilots of recently incorporated G0jet Airlines. We feel that their organization will negatively affect the IBT's ability to effectively represent Teamster pilots already in the fold.

G0jet Airlines is an alter ego airline conceived to further the management of Trans States Airline's goal of subverting their current Collective Bargaining Agreement. We have heard arguments that G0jet had to be formed since the American scope agreement requires a separate operating certificate. While this may be true, a seniority list apart from the existing Trans-States pilots is not a requirement of that operating certificate. Based on the precedent of IBT-represented Republic Airways pilots flying under multiple certificates it is clear that this argument is specious, and merely an anti-labor smokescreen intended to obscure G0jet's intended purpose.

At a time when the Air line Pilots' Association has greatly marginalized itself by its short-sighted mishandling of the alterego problem, it is disappointing to see the IBT rushing to welcome pilots better left to the whims of their unscrupulous employer into the Brotherhood of organized labor rather than taking a stand on an issue that goes to the heart of Labor's cause.

We understand the importance of Organization to the IBT's mission, but cannot support it when it comes at the expense of Representation. It is difficult to understand the IBT's motivation in organizing a pilot group willing to aid in Trans States' agenda of weakening an established Pilot Union. Additionally, our membership has expressed its concern that G0jet representation has the potential to harm Horizon Air Pilots, who could begin Section 6 negotiations as soon as March of 2006. When the effort to enhance our industry-leading Agreement begins, Horizon management will be grateful for the example of an IBT-represented alter ego working under substandard conditions to support their inevitable attempt to extract concessions from the QXTeamsters.

We urge the powers that be to pause for a moment and reflect on how G0jet representation will likely harm current IBT members throughout the Airline Division. We thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

 

[h25b]

O.K., this is exactly how Don Treichler at the IBT interpreted that letter...

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Mr. Don Treichler
Director, Airline Division, IBT
6242 Westchester, Suite 250
Los Angeles, CA 90045

February 7, 2006


Mr. Treichler:


While we are very disappointed in the IBT's decision to represent the pilots of GJ's we really have no chance in hell of actually doing anything about it other than to scribe this letter of ill-will.

We will continue to faithfully pay our dues while organized airline labor gets it's a$$ handed to them. We hope you enjoy your spring golf outing this year and send you our hard earned money for you to flush down the crapper...


Sincerely,