The Russian

[Hugh Johnson]

"Both the Falcon 50 and 900 under certain conditions can increase range by running the number 2 engine at idle. Not that I have even done this you understand."

Why would you even consider this?

 

[A Squared]

Why would you shut down a good engine?

Well, generally, when I do it, they ain't so good any more

 

[con-pilot]

"Both the Falcon 50 and 900 under certain conditions can increase range by running the number 2 engine at idle. Not that I have even done this you understand."

Why would you even consider this?

Er, to increase range. However, remember I have never done this you understand.

(Or perhaps you like swimming 200 miles?)

Disclaimer: This is not an approved procedure that is taught or acknowledged by Dassault or Flight Safety.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Er, to increase range. However, remember I have never done this you understand.

(Or perhaps you like swimming 200 miles?)

Disclaimer: This is not an approved procedure that is taught or acknowledged by Dassault or Flight Safety.

Why are you accepting flights that are so close on fuel you have to be a test pilot to complete them?

 

[ackattacker]

Why are you accepting flights that are so close on fuel you have to be a test pilot to complete them?

Why are you being so confrontational?

He already said he hasn't done it.

If I flew a Falcon 50 or 900 (which I don't) I would want to know that little bit of trivia. All kinds of things could happen that suddenly demand just a little more range than you anticipated. I'd rather be a test pilot than captain of a rubber raft.

FWIW, The first unrefuelled non-stop around-the-world flight (the "Voyager") was equipped with two piston engines and shut one down in flight to save gas.

 

[A Squared]

Why are you accepting flights that are so close on fuel you have to be a test pilot to complete them?

Uhhhh, bud, you're acting like a sanctimonious punk, a sanctimonious punk who can't read.

He's already stated *twice* that he doesn't do it. However, I gotta ask, are you really so unintelligent that you can't imagine that a trick to stretch your range might come in handy if you unintentionally find yourself in a situation where you need the extra range?

Nobody (neither Con-pilot nor anyone else) has suggested incorporatating this into pre-flight trip planning, nor depending on in normal operations.

 

[con-pilot]

Thanks for the support guys. As I claimed, this is not an approved procedure and no I have not used this procedure.

However, it is something that anybody that fly this type aircraft needs to be aware of, just in case.

 

[svcta]

Back to the topic a little,


igneousy, your 1st post was right on....the point is(and maybe it's not the case in the 1900, in fact, I'm sure it's not) that when you begin to shut down a/c generators on some airplanes and revert to DC from a battery you can lose many, many things.

And even if you can run certain hydraulic systems on ship's power you will be running very limited ones and will likely radically change the situation.

It may be okay to fly a B-1900 like a king air or a baron, but that's about the size and complexity of a/c where you want to abandon CERTAIN ways of looking at airplane flying.

Flying airplanes is an art...flying heavy airplanes is an even better blend of art and science. With more emphasis on the science. Stick to the manual.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Thanks, the opinions are accepted from everyone. There are anecdotal procedures for every airplane. Every facet of life. My point is, why would you keep, in the back of your mind, "I can try this route, because I can always idle and engine to make it if I get in trouble." Its a big world, BUT, I would make the argument that there are no legs that would require that kind of planning. I am applying this to normal operations. If you have to leave Bahgdad without full fuel of course all bets are off.

A squared, I've never flown in AK and I know there are different FAA rules there, but I have flown extensievely in the military and civilian world, and other than the P-3 loiter procedures I've never heard of this. Do you this in the DC-6?

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Extensively even...