The Russian

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[viper548]

When running low on fuel how about shutting down an engine to conserve fuel?

 

[The_Russian]

When running low on fuel how about shutting down an engine to conserve fuel?

Are you asking me or joking?

 

[viper548]

Are you asking me or joking?

It makes just about as much sense as shutting down an engine inflight for an unsafe gear when the QRH doesn't say to do so.

 

[The_Russian]

It makes just about as much sense as shutting down an engine inflight for an unsafe gear when the QRH doesn't say to do so.

One again someone takes one of my posts out of context. The engine shutdown should occur over the runway, landing assured, and in the flare. The shutdown should include both engines. This is standard aeronautical knowledge for a "crash" landing. Please remember that this crew knew of the landing gear problem.

To answer yours question: Shutting down an engine inflight to conserve fuel is unacceptable.

 

[viper548]

Which one of these would you hang for?

1. Unsafe gear- Follow QRH (lets say it says to shutdown after landing) gear collapses, prop breaks and kills one passenger. QRH followed to the letter.

2. Unsafe gear- Follow QRH but decided to shut down engine prior to touchdown. Sudden loss of lift causes hard landing, gear collapses, prop breaks and kills one passenger.

After an emergency like that every detail of that flight will be scrutinized. Ad libing to the QRH is gonna put the blame on you.

I realize the QRH doesn't talk about basic airmanship, but it does tell you when to shut down an engine. Shutting down an engine inflight is an Abnormal procedure, but don't kid yourself a dead stick landing is an emergency weather it's at 30,000 ft or 3ft.

 

[BOHICAgain]

Which one of these would you hang for?

1. Unsafe gear- Follow QRH (lets say it says to shutdown after landing) gear collapses, prop breaks and kills one passenger. QRH followed to the letter.

2. Unsafe gear- Follow QRH but decided to shut down engine prior to touchdown. Sudden loss of lift causes hard landing, gear collapses, prop breaks and kills one passenger.

After an emergency like that every detail of that flight will be scrutinized. Ad libing to the QRH is gonna put the blame on you.

I realize the QRH doesn't talk about basic airmanship, but it does tell you when to shut down an engine. Shutting down an engine inflight is an Abnormal procedure, but don't kid yourself a dead stick landing is an emergency weather it's at 30,000 ft or 3ft.

Follow the QRH... the 1900 says to shut it down prior to ground impact. It depends on the gear problem. If nothing comes down then yeah 3 feet prior to landing u shut it down. i rather hit the ground a little harder ( i doubt it thou) then with a prop spinning at 1700 rpm hitting the ground breaking off.

 

[The_Russian]

Follow the QRH... the 1900 says to shut it down prior to ground impact. It depends on the gear problem. If nothing comes down then yeah 3 feet prior to landing u shut it down. i rather hit the ground a little harder ( i doubt it thou) then with a prop spinning at 1700 rpm hitting the ground breaking off.

Good on ya'!

 

[LJDRVR]

To answer yours question: Shutting down an engine inflight to conserve fuel is unacceptable.

Unless you are in a P-3 on station.

 

[AlbieF15]

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLkW6ktt6V8

Then tell me if you KNEW you were going to impact the ground if killing the torque generator on the front might have made the impact more survivable?

I've seen guys and gals more involved in running a checklist than flying the airplane at times during sims. I've also heard the comment "I want to get that checklist on the tape..." Guys lose 2 engines and they want to get the checklist "on the record"? Fine--but let's fly the jet first! Everyone's got opinions--here's mine: The checklist doesn't take the place of judgement, and reading is always secondary to flying. Flying the F-15--the easiest thing to do was KNOW the checklist. The SOF or a wingman can read it to you to confirm the high points, but your job is to fly first. I don't know how to land a B1900 with an unsafe gear--never flew one--but if I thought there was a 5% chance that shutting down an engine in the flare would make it safer for my pax than NOT doing so--I'd do it. I'm not concerned with being "compliant with policy" at that point--I'm worried about saving lives.