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The article below is part of a blog entry here:

Lifting the Corner of the Regional Airline Rug

The Regional Pilot Blues


But there's one thing that sucks worse than being a regional airline, and that's being a regional airline pilot. Major airlines hire regional airlines to fly small planes because regional airlines do it more cheaply and they do it more cheaply because their costs are less and their costs are less primarily because they pay less, particularly pilots.

As this says, a first year first officer at at Republic (which flies for Delta, US Airways, American & United) makes $22 per hour. And he'll probably get paid for about 80 hours a month, maybe more if he's diligent about picking up flights. Yeah, he's getting about $22K per year, and he's got your life in his hands. OK, he'll make a per diem, on the road subsistence, but his take home is not a lot. You just hope his financial worries fade away as he aims that Embraer 145 (see picture) at the runway in a howling blizzard at in the middle of the night at O'Hare. Bet you think he's worth a bit more than $22K at that particular time.

Pay does go up the next year, maybe to $29K, maybe a bit more, but that's not much. Your hero in the right seat up front is eating a lot of Kraft singles between Wonderbread on his lunch breaks between landing RJs full of I-bankers and lawyers (some making 10 or even 100 times what he makes) at LaGuardia. Scratch that, he can't afford national brands, he probably buys the Costco brand. For him, ketchup is a vegetable. Which may be why pilots are known for being cheap -- unafraid to lift unattended newspapers or relieve restaurants of sugar packets.

Time out. Lest you think we're raving Bolsheviks, we're not. We don't like unions. We don't have much respect for ALPA, the pilot union. But you don't have to be Rosa Luxemburg to to be a mite concerned. Time in.

Thing is, the system is set up to ensure this result. As far as the legacy major airlines are concerned, that's the way, uh-huh uh-huh, they like it, uh-huh uh-huh. Historically, pilot unions wear the pants in their relationship with major airlines. It's very difficult for an airline to replace a pilot work force (it effectively happened only once, when Frank Lorenzo broke the Continental pilot union in the early 80s. Frank Lorenzo is consequently a name reviled throughout the pilot community). It takes too long to train new pilots, and you can't really fire them outside of a strike. When pilots walk out, or even just work to rule, the airline bleeds.

So major airlines are stuck with the pilots they employ. And in good times, those pilots can bend the airline over a barrel and have their wicked way with it. That's what United pilots did in the "summer of love" in 2000 until United's then-CEO called them Daddy and gave them a big raise--it wasn't even a strike (in bad times, the shoe is on the other foot which is why United pilots have coughed up big concessions the last few years).

However, things are much better for the major if it doesn't directly hire the pilot, but hires a regional airline instead. Every time the major airline has a regional contract up for renewal, the major is going to pick the regional with the best bid -- which will be highly correlated with those with low pilot costs. Yes, reliability matters, but after all, all a contract regional airline does is operate airplanes. It doesn't market, it doesn't yield manage, it doesn't have a frequent flyer program... if it can't operate reliably, it's got no business being a regional airline.

If a regional pilot union succeeds in forcing wages higher, all its doing is making its carrier less capable of winning future contracts.

So the regional airline system has inbuilt pressure to keep regional airline pilot wages low. In fact, if major airlines could get away with it, they'd likely contract all flying to third party operating entities (perhaps keep their own flight attendants on board to maintain service quality), which would end up in the same low bid system as the regionals.

But, so sad, the majors can't do this, because major airline pilot contracts say they can't. These are the so-called "scope clauses" within such contracts, which reserve all flying on big aircraft for, say, United, to pilots in the United pilot union, where "big aircraft" in the case of United means bigger than 70 seats. Scope clauses are a big deal -- read the article again and you'll see at the end where Northwest is trying to jack up the maximum size of aircraft that can be outsourced to regionals. In airline-speak they're trying to "relax the scope clause".

This is why every regional airline pilot dreams of the day when he'll (they're mostly still all men...) get picked up by a major airline, especially if it's Southwest, UPS or Fedex (stable, profitable airlines which haven't forced concessions on their pilots). Check out the numbers here, for instance. Much better.

So next time you're on a regional jet, look for the tip cup and give generously.
 
Why don't you regional pilots get together, take some donations and buy a page in a major newspaper exposing all of the problems at regional airlines?

Spread the word. Do something about it besides bitch about it here.
 
The only thing pilots can do is honor scope clauses. Pilots must not accept more seats on any regional airline. Any captain that sets foot in a 70+ seat aircraft for 50 seat pay is contributing more to the slide than a first year FO who will work for 17K. The captain should know better. Always push to keep the flying at mainline keep this job a career.
 
OK,
So, where was ALPA when this so-called RJ revolution took place when COMAIR introduced the CRJ to revenue service? ALPA in their very narrow view of the airline business sold everyone down the proverbial river by failing to mandate the RJ be flown by mainline crews. Instead they institued a seat clause to "protect" their own flying, essentially cutting off their own nose to spite their face.
Futhermore, what ALPA did was recreate a "B-scale" for the airlines by stipulating the seat clause. The only problem is that this "B-scale" doesn't merge with the rest of the seniority list after 5 years, which I believe is the deal that some of the legacy carriers had with ALPA.
ALPA is about worthless as a union in my opinion, because they have no influence on the big picture in negotiating labor contracts. It used to be the formula was to go into negotiations and use your ALPA peer's contract as a benchmark to bargain from. Obviously, this is not happening if you were to compare the salaries of the various ALPA pilot groups.
I don't take it personally that someone is making more money than I am, but don't piss down my neck and tell me it's raining. Because ALPA would also have you believe that they are looking out for ALL pilots. Thats simply not the case at all, if 1.9% of your salary is going to membership dues then who do you think has more clout? It's the top-tier of Captains that fly for the legacy carriers and that group is a very small percentage, but either willfully or not these are the folks that pull ALPA's strings. It's not pilots at CMR, XJ or AWAC, etc...
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Airline managment LOVES us, because we are our own worst enemies. To the younger generation of pilots I hope that you'll find that pride and professionalism will be the way you measure yourself against your non-aviation peers. Because it is going to be a bitter pill to swallow as you climbthe ladder. For an ill-advised old fart like me, it's all I have left. Pride, Professionalism and a false sense of duty.

Regards,

ex-Navy Rotorhead
 
405 said:
Why don't you regional pilots get together, take some donations and buy a page in a major newspaper exposing all of the problems at regional airlines?

Spread the word. Do something about it besides bitch about it here.

That was done by ALPA during contract negotiations for Xjet. It was a big full page ad in USA today. Nobady cared. People just want cheap tickets and don't give a hoot about the guys driving.
 
I Hate Freight said:
That was done by ALPA during contract negotiations for Xjet. It was a big full page ad in USA today. Nobady cared. People just want cheap tickets and don't give a hoot about the guys driving.
True That!!!!
 
Who is the audiance for that article? It is written like the rough draft a 7th grade creative writing assignment. If you want to be taken seriously have someone outside aviation read your blog posts before putting them up in public forum. If you write like a child people are going to think you only deserve $22k/year. I couldn't read past the first paragraph. It was too painfully dull. What's original about griping about a job?
 
My favorite response to that article...

It is a little bit scary though that regional pilots are so poorly paid. But it certainly won't attract people who are in it for the money. If someone is a good pilot and agrees to work for $30k, then that's fine with me.
 
405 said:
Why don't you regional pilots get together, take some donations and buy a page in a major newspaper exposing all of the problems at regional airlines?

Spread the word. Do something about it besides bitch about it here.
I agree to some extent. Though bitching here will hopefully educate some perspective career pilots. On the other hand, the most motivated I want to be an airline pilot type is probably reading this board. What we really need is ads in Flying Magazine and AOPA to counteract all the Kit Darby 30,000 pilots hired in 2005 crap, Embry Riddle professional pilot degree, Gulfstream, etc. crap. Something that should negatively affect the pilot supply so Mesa, etc. is forced into raising career conditions. Come to think of my Avatar probably contributes to disillusement. Trust me, the chances of seeing a Flight Attendant that looks like the Hooter girl at a US carrier is the same chance that Janet Reno is really a woman.
 

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