The Pinnacle MEC's True Colors?

[snap145]

Im not saying yes or no to any of the truths or mistruths that SEVEN is stating on this page...lord knows ive had my verbal meltdowns with SEVEN...HOWEVER...it cannot really be argued that the majority of the 9E pilot group might suggest theyre distaste with the former MEC chair...many (especially in my base...very senior..take a guess) believe the MEC threw us under the bus many times instead seeking out personal advancements. So while SEVEN may or may not be speaking truth as to his knowledge of rumours regarding the SLI...most of us have alot more faith in our new MEC chair and SEVEN is pretty much spot on...that has little or nothing to do with the fact that it took 6 plus years to negotiate a new contract..but im just stating the cold hard truth...any 99 out of 100 9E pilots will agree with that sentiment regarding SOME members of our former MEC

 

[Kaman]

Just heard there will be an announcement tomorrow stating that the Colgan name will stay and the Mesaba name will not. Those on the props will fly for Colgan, those on the jets will fly for Pinnacle. Hope this isn't true. Lot's of "chatter" over the last couple of days.

I heard the same thing from an individual in management that this decision was made two days ago via a conf. call with management officials. Apparently, the DC FSDO is resisting moving the certificate to Memphis and to move everyone from Mesaba to Colgan's certificate is the fastest way to get all the turboprops on a single operating certificate. Sounds to me like the company is taking the path of least resistance here.
We can immediately make some assumptions here about how this will evolve, but whether those assumptions are accurate is anyone's guess. I expect that it won't be something that the Mesaba guys will be very happy about. And, for that I don't blame them. Mesaba has a proud history...Colgan a bit dubious...Well...Anyway, I am looking forward to welcoming all Mesaba guys and gals aboard to make this uncertain journey together in building a solid foundation for the future with an emphasis of teamwork, professionalism and leadership from the cockpit.

 

[SEVEN]

Also, Phil T. will emerge on the board at Sun Country who will facilitate their acquisition by Pinnacle. The is truly a crazy industry.

 

[e=mc2]

Must be all you guys at Colgan, Mesaba, Pinnacle are short. This entire thread is about trying to be a tall midgit

 

[RJLoser]

Must be all you guys at Colgan, Mesaba, Pinnacle are short. This entire thread is about trying to be a tall midgit

Drink much?

 

[Flyer1015]

The latest and greatest rumor now is that the SLI is already done, and the bottom barrel pilot is SEVEN. The arbitrator decided to use arrogance as the integration method, with the most arrogant pilots at the bottom. Congrats SEVEN, you take first place prize at the bottom.

 

[CptMurf]

The latest and greatest rumor now is that the SLI is already done, and the bottom barrel pilot is SEVEN. The arbitrator decided to use arrogance as the integration method, with the most arrogant pilots at the bottom. Congrats SEVEN, you take first place prize at the bottom.

Good. The bottom of the list is filled with a few outspoken 9E'rs then too.

 

[Vertigo37]

Good. The bottom of the list is filled with a few outspoken 9E'rs then too.

No sir. We shot them; however, we may have to reload. Welcome to The Nickle.

 

[RJLoser]

Good. The bottom of the list is filled with a few outspoken 9E'rs then too.

Absolutely. I have come across some great guys/gals at Mesaba and Colgan. I think besides a few from all of us..... going to be a great pilot group.

 

[CptMurf]

I vote that when it's all said and done...

WE THROW A HUGE ASS PARTY!!!

I'll throw my dues in for it. We need something to bring us together. I'll buy rounds for Dointime, Smartass, Flyer, and Higney.

Update: Loser too.

 

[RJLoser]

Agreed. Thanks Murph. I want to see Seven with a lampshade on his head by the end of the night.

 

[SEVEN]

The latest and greatest rumor now is that the SLI is already done, and the bottom barrel pilot is SEVEN. The arbitrator decided to use arrogance as the integration method, with the most arrogant pilots at the bottom. Congrats SEVEN, you take first place prize at the bottom.

I'm as humble as they come. Just as CptMurf, we've flown together.

 

[SEVEN]

Agreed. Thanks Murph. I want to see Seven with a lampshade on his head by the end of the night.

I hope you feel better....that hurt my feelings.

 

[suupah]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]A Message from the Colgan Air Merger Committee[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]As we wait for a decision from arbitrator Richard Bloch, your Colgan Air Merger Committee would like to take the opportunity to update the entire pilot group on where we stand as a group on the final days before a decision is rendered.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]On April 15[SIZE=-1]th your Merger Committee presented to Mr. Bloch our final rebuttals to arbitration arguments that were heard during the last week of March. This was our opportunity to present any disputes or rebuttals regarding the final positions and statements of the Pinnacle and Mesaba merger committees. As we stated in our last update, Mr. Bloch has 30 days from April 15[SIZE=-1]th[/SIZE] to deliver a final arbitrated decision regarding the process to integrate the seniority lists of our three airlines. We expect to have Mr. Bloch’s final decision on or around the 15[SIZE=-1]th[/SIZE] of this month.[/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]During final arguments we petitioned Mr. Bloch for permission to share the final positions of all three merger committees to our respective pilot groups; he permitted our request to do so. Your Merger Committee felt it was very important that every Colgan Air pilot was aware of the final positions that Mr. Bloch was presented. The Colgan Air pilot group deserves to know the details of each position prior to receiving Mr. Bloch’s decision; by understanding the final positions it will help in understanding the reasoning behind the final arbitrated decision.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]The Mesaba Airlines merger committee presented to Mr. Bloch an integration method of “Date of Hire.” Under the Mesaba final proposal, the new seniority list will be created in seniority order from the most senior pilot of the three groups becoming the new #1 to the most junior of the three groups who would be placed at the bottom. “Date of Hire” integration is a very straight forward integration methodology. However, in the opinion of your Merger Committee, it is better suited when integrating similar pilot groups. Colgan Air is a younger pilot group and we saw very few similarities between Colgan and Mesaba or Pinnacle that would suggest that a “Date of Hire” methodology would best suit the pilots of all three airlines.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]The Pinnacle Airlines merger committee presented to Mr. Bloch an integration method of “Status and Category ratio integration.” Under the Pinnacle final proposal, the new seniority list will be created by placing each pilot into 1 of 6 possible groups; group 1 being at the top of the list and group 6 at the bottom of the list. The Pinnacle Merger Committee included all of their pilots within the first 2 groups along with a select number of Mesaba pilots; the first Colgan pilot does not show up until group 3. By delaying the placement of a Colgan pilot until group 3 it would create a list that unjustly underestimates the equities brought by the Colgan Air pilots to this merger. This methodology would place the now #1 Colgan pilot at #1904 on the new list. Your Merger Committee would never approve of a methodology that places our most senior pilot junior to Pinnacle’s most junior pilot.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]The Colgan Air merger committee presented to Mr. Bloch an integration method of “Ratio integration.” Under the Colgan Air final proposal, the new seniority list will be created by constructing 33 individual blocks. Each block will be comprised by listing pilots from each airline in a ratio consistent with the number of pilots to be integrated from each pilot group. This method would guarantee that every one of the active pilots to be integrated will remain within 3% of their current, pre-merger, relative seniority position. We felt this methodology would help minimize any disruption in the quality of life of all 2807 pilots to be integrated. Every pilot would maintain the same bidding power after the merger since every pilot will have the same percentage of pilots senior and junior to them. Our intention was to present a realistic integration methodology that would ultimately be accepted by all of the pilots that will soon make up the “new” Pinnacle Airlines. We did not want to propose an outlandish methodology in the hope of having the arbitrator grant a portion of our final position. One of our goals was to have Pinnacle and Mesaba view the Colgan pilot group as an honest and straightforward group.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]Mr. Bloch left it up to the Merger Committees to continue unmediated negotiations this last month, up until his arbitrated decision, if we saw purpose in doing so. If Mesaba and Pinnacle were to contact us for continued unmediated negotiations, it would only be considered if both Mesaba and Pinnacle had changed drastically from their final positions. As you can see, the three parties presented three uniquely different final positions and your Merger Committee currently believes it would not be an appropriate utilization of time or dues money to continue these talks if their positions remains the same. We continue to feel that we presented to Mr. Bloch a very strong argument on behalf of the Colgan pilots and believe that Mr. Bloch will deliver a final decision that will be fair and equitable to all pilot groups. Mr. Bloch is free to take any of the methodologies, parts of some, or nothing from the presented final methodologies when constructing his final decision; he is one of the most experienced arbitrators in airline integration and we trust in his judgment and experience.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]When Mr. Bloch releases his arbitrated decision we will brief the pilot group on the pertinent details of the decision.[/FONT]

[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]In Unity,[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri,sans-serif]Colgan Air Merger Committee[/FONT]

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[sinkrate]

The Pinnacle Airlines merger committee presented to Mr. Bloch an integration method of “Status and Category ratio integration.” Under the Pinnacle final proposal, the new seniority list will be created by placing each pilot into 1 of 6 possible groups; group 1 being at the top of the list and group 6 at the bottom of the list. The Pinnacle Merger Committee included all of their pilots within the first 2 groups along with a select number of Mesaba pilots; the first Colgan pilot does not show up until group 3.

Looks like they borrowed heavily from the Arbitrators award in the Republic/Frontier/Midwest Express/Lynx Award.