The next strike is the last one.

[Splinter]

Try to think of this objectively...

If Delta pilots strike, the fallout very well could permanently change the labor landscape in the airlines.

The Airline Dispute Resolution Act is tabled for now thanks to little distractions like political infighting, war, etc., but the passage of it will be rejuvenated if Delta walks...leading a major employer into Chapter 7, crippling the economy of Atlanta, the state of Georgia, and the southeast as a whole. Think of the high profile Senators and Congressmen who represent GA and surrounding states, not to mention Bush who hates labor. Make no mistake about it ladies and gentlemen, THIS WILL PASS.

http://www.nmbfacts.com/aldra-s.1327.htm

Bottom line, airline union strikes will be illegal. Unions have the ability to destroy a company with a strike because there is no product to inventory and management abuses the loopholes in the Railway Labor Act to protract negotiations incessantly. The system is broken, and powerful people believe that this will fix it. Could it?

 

[ACWild]

Anytime one lawyer proposes something, another will find a loophole around it. Strikes aren't the only way to cripple a company, so unions will adapt. As long as people are free to leave and go elsewhere, companies will still be at risk. This proposal is not a solution for companies to survive, it's just another way for opposing lawyers to make lots of money.

 

[Ben Dover]

...leading a major employer into Chapter 7, crippling the economy of Atlanta, the state of Georgia, and the southeast as a whole.

...and with the Southeast in economic chaos there will be a ripple effect across the entire United States. One by one major metropolitan areas will collapse into economic meltdown, then social unrest, rioting in the streets, and sadly global thermo nuclear war. All because of Delta Airlines.

 

[Tim47SIP]

NLRB is coming!

Well, one thing will more than likely happen. I have read several congressional reports that have indicated that the RLA in its current form may be gone. There is a movement to put airlines under the National Labor Relations Board which I believe takes away any ability to strike. If Delta strikes, not only will Delta, ASA, and Comair be gone, Chittaco, Skywest, and Mesa will be greatly adversely effected. This major ripple in the transportation industry will cause NLRB to take control of all transportation related industries pemanently bringing the Unions to their knees.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

And pilots will still think a SOS wll be the answer!

 

[GogglesPisano]

...and with the Southeast in economic chaos there will be a ripple effect across the entire United States. One by one major metropolitan areas will collapse into economic meltdown, then social unrest, rioting in the streets, and sadly global thermo nuclear war. All because of Delta Airlines.

... Dogs and cats living together ...

 

[WhiteCloud]

...and with the Southeast in economic chaos there will be a ripple effect across the entire United States. One by one major metropolitan areas will collapse into economic meltdown, then social unrest, rioting in the streets, and sadly global thermo nuclear war. All because of Delta Airlines.

That kind of makes the excess capacity that will be eliminated with Delta's collapse and the new airlines that come in to fill whatever void is left kind of boring.

 

[Green]

Well, one thing will more than likely happen. I have read several congressional reports that have indicated that the RLA in its current form may be gone. There is a movement to put airlines under the National Labor Relations Board which I believe takes away any ability to strike. If Delta strikes, not only will Delta, ASA, and Comair be gone, Chittaco, Skywest, and Mesa will be greatly adversely effected. This major ripple in the transportation industry will cause NLRB to take control of all transportation related industries pemanently bringing the Unions to their knees.

Haven't we already been brought to our knees. I don't know about you but my jaw is starting to cramp....

 

[Laughing_Jakal]

Who Cares about a ripple effect

Hey,

In a good economy, everyone makes some money.

In a bad economy, the smart, innovative, self-reliant make a sh1tpile of money.....bring it on. I'll figure out something else....I can do more than fly planes.

Burn down the house if it is rat infested and not worth living in at its current state. There are no promises that it will get better and a big likelyhood it will get worse.

 

[BoilerUP]

And pilots will still think a SOS wll be the answer!

Solutions then?

 

[Draginass]

A Delta shutdown cripple the southeast?????? Oh, please. Whose putting out tripe like that? What a bunch of overblown malarky . . . . typical of the lies and deceit that is de rigor of American corporate executives and policians.

Besides, if there's a mass resignation and walk-out, not even the corporation's surrogate gestapo can go into pilot's homes, drag them out and force them to fly . . . . at least not yet.

Besides, it's not going to be tested anyway. The Delta pilots are going to fold like cheap suits and kiss Grinsteen's feet before it's all over.

 

[AlbieF15]

...a very smart union rep once told me that you can do more to influence a company ON the property than off the property. If pilots cannot strike, they can slow down, divert, etc etc etc. If that were to happen, airline management will BEG them to strike and get off the property...

 

[pipejockey]

I think a strike is the only thing left that will show management that the pilot profession has hit rock bottom and we will not let it fall any further. Enough is enough, and if the pay, workrules, and QOL fall any further the job won't be worth having any longer.

 

[PHXFLYR]

"Enough is enough" .... yeah,right. Who you kidding?


PHXFLYR

 

[737 Pylt]

Besides, it's not going to be tested anyway. The Delta pilots are going to fold like cheap suits and kiss Grinsteen's feet before it's all over.

Man I hate to say this, but you're right...ala US Air, United, AMR, NWA...please add to whoever I forgot. DAL pilots are no better. We thought that US Air should take one for the team, they didn't, then UAL, they didn't, now DAL, we won't... We'll roll over just everyone else
737
so sad!

 

[Superpilot92]

I think i am going to puke this industry is in an unrecoverable spin. Someone needs to kick alittle rudder and break the spin. Any suggestions!!!!When will it stop? Legacys paying close to regional pay scales--WTFO!!!

 

[Falconjet]

What is worse is listening to the pilots on the board arguing that we should be happy to make about 60K. I wonder how many of the athletes over on NBAinfo.com are pontificating about how they make more than they are worth and they should be happy to play a game for 60K a year instead of 6M? After all its only a game right?

I can hear them now: "I can't believe they don't make me pay them for the priviledge of playing a kid's game because I love the game". And maybe "playing basketball should be a hobby not a job and you should have some other means set up to feed your family".

Oh yeah, you probably don't see that after all.

Pilots (at least some of them) are our own worst enemy sometimes. We should all be negotiating to get the most we can while we can because you never know when the bottom is going to drop out.

I'm not advocating bleeding the company dry, I'm just advocating pricing the product at a level that will allow you pay the pilots and other employees a wage that is commenserate with their talents and experience level and exercise a business plan that will make some money at the same time. If that means JoeBLow has to pay more than 300 bucks to fly across the country and back so be it.

Enough of the we should be happy to fly and still get paid $60K to boot. Please.

FJ

 

[Lear70]

...a very smart union rep once told me that you can do more to influence a company ON the property than off the property. If pilots cannot strike, they can slow down, divert, etc etc etc. If that were to happen, airline management will BEG them to strike and get off the property...

That's nice to talk about, but what group has the cajones to do that?

What group has the cajones to just QUIT??!!

If you can't get a group to STRIKE, which has certain job protections, with 7,000+ pilots on the streets, how the HELL are you going to get them to do any of the above? Especially at the regional level where half your employees paid $40,000 to $80,000 for their jobs and are just "happy to be flying a shiny new jet"?

This is all rhetoric. Pilots will continue to be their own worst enemy. Capital Hill will be a close second if those proposed bills passed.

I have YET to hear ANYTHING that would fix the basic problem of supply and demand. There's too much SUPPLY of WILLING pilots to fill waning demand at lower wages.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

global thermo nuclear war

Greetings professor Falken.
Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?

 

[miles otoole]

Greetings professor Falken.
Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?

No. Global Thermo Nuclear War