The New USA JET

[Porky]

I just filed a lien on some work I carried for Toyota brokered by Active Aero and haven't been paid in 60+ days. Every time I call AP to check on payment of any outstanding invoices, the clerks have to figure out which of the 4+ companies' books they put our invoice to lie about when checks will be issued. Maybe Toyota will rethink their relationship at some point when their business is affected by Active's refusal to pay timely

Even though I increased my pricing specifically for AA flights, I cannot recover the loss of use of my money when I shell out $200 to $750 in ramp/Freight/Forklift Fees on every trip and it takes 60 days to be reimbursed?

Multi-service gets paid in 14 days, BP, Chevron and Shell get paid in 2 to four weeks or they levy 15-30% and AA's clerks, can't fathom why I am pissed 60 days after working for free and paying active's bills?

Just wait until your dispatch or CP start asking you to drop a credit card for fuel-fbo fees on your Falcon or nightingale visit when others start cutting AA off for these same reasons!

Congrats to the dozen that have regained employment I am most profoundly happy for your persistence' pay-off. I am concerned Active's priorities are to continue to grow and compete directly against those of us who have helped AA through this challenging time but are going to continue to get bent over while AA pockets as much as possible and screw whomeverelse along the way as is necessary.

Beware to the newly employed and you idiots in Pontiac, Portland and Kidron who dive hard to be the lowest bidder and be treated this way. Dropping your prices endeavoring for 'Cash Flow' and 'Sales Volume' is a two-edged sword: How some of you pilots are getting paid out of the little amounts your companies are selling you for is unimaginable. That is until I see things like you guys in Kidron doing back to back runs from Texas/Michigan in 11-13 hours of flight time on one pilot; then it all makes sense and I ponder, "what else lingers under the hood?"

100-1/2

They don't care about the people who moved the freight as long as they got their cut. I remember the CEO saying it took 60 days to get paid from some company's, GM was one of them. So after 60 days AA will get paid and then another 60 days you might get paid, unless the company caddy bill comes in, then maybe 90 days.

This is the AA way of doing biz. Remember they are the self pro-claimed freight kings.

 

[Porky]

Oh, I forgot to mension, if you have an A&P, play hockey and like the taste of ....... you have a good chance at a job in MTX. :laugh:

 

[pilot125]

Oh? Why yes, I believe I am the supreme sh1t swinger(slinger if you must) in all of aviation. Everywhere I go my tremendous dongle must follow in a 53' refer trailer to keep the swelling down from all the loving I get from all of humanity.

Dare I ask? Would you be a former "idiot" from PTK before or after the MU2 in 2004?

My recollection of the NTSB Final on that one was:

-Prior duty day (documented) 13+ hours with 10.1 Flight as FO in a Lear ended early morning.
-Accident occurred 3hrs of PIC into a duty day that started less than 12 hours after the prior day ended.
-MU2 entered an area of reported moderate/severe ice where radar tracks showed rapidly decreasing airspeed followed by rapid loss in altitude.
-Investigation found no evidence of anti/de-ice equipment engaged and/or operating at the time of the crash.
-Postmortem tox screen showed a large accumulation of unapproved analgesics indicating a significant ailment or sickness was being medicated at the time of the crash.

He was a friend of mine and your wonderfully superior assortment of rickety bolt jars' dispatchers' killed him.

NO CERTIFICATE HOLDER MAY.....
NO PILOT MAY.....

Insert reg here.

So do the math. Dispatch had no business calling him until 24 hours following the first hour of flight expired of the previous duty day. Particularly after documenting 10.1 hours of flight as crew in a 2-pilot operation.

In 2004, if you didn't do it, there were 100 others with less time willing to do it for less money.

Maybe, you were one of the 100 that got the nod after my friend made a hole, literally.

I am guessing you are probably one of those 310/110 PIC's that would run 3+ empty to ND to do 5+ 135 to SC and follow that up with another 3+ empty back to base because you were such a "teamplayer" not to ask the CP for a hotel room in CHS?

Oh, I know, here I go on again about myself. I should shut up and let you do it for me.

It is interesting, your perception of me yet you allow yourself to implicitly to fall upon the "superior 'foe'" side of the story?

I was merely capitalizing on the opportunity to point out the pitfalls I am hearing from fellow vendors if AA fails to regain proper alignment of its priorities. Their biggest customers are some of the worst at paying their own bills and camp lobbyists on the capital for a perpetual bail-out. While they tout their appreciation for and reliance upon 'their supplemental air carriers' they fail to follow-up these words with actions. When Toyota gets a lien filing on work they already paid AA for but AA has not paid the supplemental carrier, the Japanese will not be very happy. Subaru, Honda, Polaris and Toyota are the best things going right now. FBO's that used to bill AA are now taking credit cards from the carriers.

The last post before mine was: [starting a newhire class] "things must be going well". I thought I was posting a "message" of caution that one should be guarded of some of the potential problems on the horizon. While they are of superior arrogance you obviously share in, It shouldn't be a shock to a FA20 or DC9 crew to pull-up somewhere and have a forklift idle until someone comes out of pocket with a credit card that can be swiped.

I do love the part about 'rag on them and show us how smart you think you are'. So well placed. Pertinent indeed. Full of wisdom and insight into pure rubbish for someone obviously graduated from mediocrity to the 'bigtime' Part 125 Job? I am guessing you are one of the fortunates to keep a seat on the nightingale through the turmoil?

Go ahead spin me a web Spidy!

100-1/2

"Spin me a web Spidy", well played......and sophmorically clever.

First off, just to get this issue out of the way, I'm not going to take issue with AA's way of doing business, just not that interested in debating it, kind of boring for an idiot line pilot like myself. I actually agree..........wait for it........wait for it..........with you, on that subject, it's not right or fair to the rest of us out here that they want to play these games. BUT..........I will take some shots at some of the other content in your posts, more specifically the MU-2 crash, since T was MY buddy also:

1. Do you think that you should not fly for 2 days after you have a 13-hour duty day? After all, it's in the name of safey, right? Your losing your street cred, pal. You also have issue with the 10.1 flight time the previous day........am I supposed to automatically be extremely fatigued or tired at all, the minute I log that .1, and need more rest time. There has been times when I have logged quite a bit more than 10.1 (91-ing it home from the west coast, no pressure from the company, just saw no reason to hang out twiddling my thumbs so far from home), and my partner along with myself felt just fine when we got home. Your not a doctor, right? Our skills and judgement don't all deteriorate the minute flight time exceeds 10 hours, or duty time exceeds whatever BS time limit you have obviously set for yourself. Why is it that when you old guys get tired after working a 10-hour day, you expect all of the younger bucks (relatively speaking) to be tired as well....and when they say they are not, you start right into your speech about company pressuring us, stop trying to be a hero, your going to end up a smoking hole.......yada, yada, yada.

I have no problem with you being tired old man, but don't preach to me and tell me that I SHOULD feel the same way! Oh, and by the way, if you exceed the 10 hours 91-ing it home, you DO NOT have to have 12 hours of rest, ask around. Every POI has a different interpretation of the regs, you, in all of your wisdom, should know this. And up here in "idiot-land", this is how it is interpreted. Shades of grey, shades of grey. The only issue is drop times, and they were not an issue in this case. Was he tired because of the previous night? We don't know, we weren't there, impossible for us to know this.

2. There was no severe ice reported in the area, nor forecast, let's try and keep this somewhat factual, does that sound fair? T could have very well been flying above any weather or layers, we just don't know, so why make the leap, when all it is is just a guess....or theory if you will.

Any MU-2 pilot who has ever encountered ice in the airplane will tell you that the airplane WILL lose airspeed in cruise during the encounter. I've heard that losing 20 kts in cruise is not out of the question. No matter if its 10 kts, 15 kts, 20 kts, you WILL lose airspeed before an upset. T did NOT lose airspeed until the airplane was already in the upset, on it's way down. Go back and look at the radar readouts in the report. Ice was probably not a factor. Of course, I shouldn't make the leap either, just saying, we don't know. Impossible to know in this case.

3. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess (yes, just guess) that if we could somehow take toxicology tests (ones that would break down everything put in the body over xx amount of time) on everyone right now all at once, who were currently on duty, 40-50% would have something in their system similar to what T had in his........I bet you find cold-medicines, sleep medicines, viagra, wacky tobaccy, etc .................albeit trace amounts, but it would be there. Not saying it's right to put those things in one's body, just saying that that's life, and we do what we feel we have to so that we sleep well at night, so that we feel good throughout the day, to keep us healthy............yeah, I know, flame away on this point, I know you will, because you are the perfect, healthiest physical specimen on the face of the planet...........on a side note, you probably don't and have never flown 1 kt. over 250 kts below 10,000 ft............nevermind, here I go again making sense, and trying to have a conversation with Mr. PERFECT. Did any of these trace amounts affect T's performance? We don't know.

4. Dispatchers? You've got to be kidding me? How in the world did you rope the dispatchers into this? "Our" friend was the not shy about turning trips down if he felt tired, or about questionable weather, or anything really. Ask me how I know. Now how you would know this, I have not got a clue. You have made some BIG leaps and have drawn conclusions AND A CAUSE, when the best accident investigation team in the world couldn't figure this one out. In fact, occasionally the NTSB can't and never does find a cause, you do know that, right? Does the NTSB know about you? You would really be doing the world a disservice just pretending to be some companies DO or CP, when you could be out there "investigating" accidents from your laptop computer!

You are a real piece of work. Your posts hint at a bit of intelligence, but you make WAY TOO MANY assumptions to be useful. I am somewhat entertained by you, I guess that's the whole reason you post on FI, for the entertainment value you provide to the aviation community. I liken you to a circus clown, at the beginning, you make us smile and laugh at your antics, but after 5 minutes or so, I'm bored and ready to move on to the trapeze artists or those motorscycles that criss-cross each other in the circular cage. Bring on the substance of the show!

Well, I've written way too much, I'm done. Not that this quote or even parts of it will ever apply to YOU, but check it out anyway:

"Whatever life holds in store for me, I will never forget these words: With great power comes great responsibility. This is my gift, my curse. Who am I? I'm Spiderman."

 

[b18onboost]

Stay classy, avbug. The great pilot shortage of 2010 is right around the corner.

You ever hear that the measure of a man is what they say when he's not around? I know some people who know you. How do you figure you're measuring?

I feel sorry for the bug. He's like a baby crying out for attention. Can somebody change his diaper?

 

[normscocktails]

wow c, shue#@%^# I remember buffalo wild wing i just want to see what there saying oh yeah jo ans computer! , remeber that no because pusssy!!! like you dont! "Dont worry they won't say ********************" remember that your girls lap top, I forgot noone has intetgrity because there all *************************'s well ******************** you too! shoue, yeah I'll mention names because noone can take away my integretiy!!! Dont forget i kept copies of everything, log pages and all!!! remember that! well airforce and coast guard dont cont now you guys want to play come on!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks To J.K and C.S

 

[skier17]

wow c, shue#@%^# I remember buffalo wild wing i just want to see what there saying oh yeah jo ans computer! , remeber that no because pusssy!!! like you dont! "Dont worry they won't say ********************" remember that your girls lap top, I forgot noone has intetgrity because there all *************************'s well ******************** you too! shoue, yeah I'll mention names because noone can take away my integretiy!!! Dont forget i kept copies of everything, log pages and all!!! remember that! well airforce and coast guard dont cont now you guys want to play come on!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks To J.K and C.S

Now THATS how you leave a drunken post!!

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

wow, can someone translate that one for me?

 

[Porky]

wow c, shue#@%^# I remember buffalo wild wing i just want to see what there saying oh yeah jo ans computer! , remeber that no because pusssy!!! like you dont! "Dont worry they won't say ********************" remember that your girls lap top, I forgot noone has intetgrity because there all *************************'s well ******************** you too! shoue, yeah I'll mention names because noone can take away my integretiy!!! Dont forget i kept copies of everything, log pages and all!!! remember that! well airforce and coast guard dont cont now you guys want to play come on!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks To J.K and C.S

WOW:beer:

 

[aerobat]

Umm - I think we now know that "normscocktails" is actually Foster Brooks!

 

[Metro752]

You're a dick Iceman.

D.C. quit.

Ruh roh, raggy.