The mysteries of the 1973 Jim Croce plane crash. Other questionable celebrity plane crashes in American history.

[guy_liking_pretty_planes]

Why did that Beechcraft airplane crash in 1973? This 57-year-old pilot Elliot, did not even have a damned copilot.

Why did the Buddy Holly plane crash in 1959?

Why did the Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash in 1977?

It seems that some of these chartered flights celebrities in music took were run by mickey-mouse owners and operators. Weather conditions were deplorable in some cases. Aircraft might have been in less than ship shape. FFA not strict enough then in regulations. Pilots in poor medical condition, maybe.

 

[guy_liking_pretty_planes]

Then there is the Glenn Miller plane crash of 1944.

I don't think the exact causes for each of these aviation mishaps has been precisely determined ever. I read that Jim Croce was in a hurry to press on and that the pilot, Elliot, walked and ran a long way to the airport because no cab was available.

Living in Oklahoma, I understand how ramshackle, how half-ass, businesses can operate in parts of America with predominantly Southern accents. Red States aren't noted for having strict safety regulations and uniform standards on things either. Aviation like medicine and dentistry should be highly regulated by the government.

 

[belchfire]

There is no need for further speculation on these or many other losses where music and aviation intersect. They are well documented in a book titled Music's Broken Wings.

You would be well advised to invest in a copy...

Glen Miller disappeared during a World War in a Single Engine Norseman, and while a commendable aircraft for it's ruggedness and performance as a utility plane, there was a war on, there was but one engine and the English Channel is home to some of the least favorable weather in the world. Not much of a mystery at all...

Your blanket condemnation of Southern businesses and Conservative government speaks loudly and clearly of a big government sycophant who believes that people need micromanaging by a bunch Soviet-minded and Stazi mother-fornicators in the District of Crime.

Further, your assertion that Aviation is not highly regulated reeks of utter inexperience and a mind that has been spoon fed by bubble-headed bleach blond talking heads who in fact know less than nothing about what they blither about on the 24/7/365 cable socialist indoctrination networks!

When you get your information from sources that are ignorant and/or willfully biased, ignorance and bias will be the result. I should feel pity rather than being irritated by your outpouring of myth and misinformation. Still, when NTSB agent Bartholomew Simpson provides you with the names of crew members involved in an incident the results are predictable...

 

[guy_liking_pretty_planes]

Well, historically, aircraft operation wasn't as tightly controlled maybe as it is now. If you are a pilot or commercial air operator, you must be held accountable to follow the law. Human error is the biggest culprit in airplane mishaps. I'm very wary of private chartered flights. It's inconceivable to me that a charted plane for hire would not supply both a copilot and a pilot or captain. Buddy Holly, The Big Bopper and Ritchie Valens were even on mickey-mouse buses back in 1959 on the way to the fateful flight. No working heaters and perhaps other non-compliance nonsense. Transportation companies have compromised passenger safety and comfort in the name of cheaping out.

 

[guy_liking_pretty_planes]

There is no need for further speculation on these or many other losses where music and aviation intersect. They are well documented in a book titled Music's Broken Wings.

You would be well advised to invest in a copy...

Your blanket condemnation of Southern businesses and Conservative government speaks loudly and clearly of a big government sycophant who believes that people need micromanaging by a bunch Soviet-minded and Stazi mother-fornicators in the District of Crime.

Further, your assertion that Aviation is not highly regulated reeks of utter inexperience and a mind that has been spoon fed by bubble-headed bleach blond talking heads who in fact know less than nothing about they blither about on the 24/7/365 cable socialist indoctrination networks!

When you get your information from sources that are ignorant and/or willfully biased, ignorance and bias will be the result. I should feel pity rather than being irritated by your outpouring of myth and misinformation. Still, when NTSB agent Bartholomew Simpson provides you with the names of crew members involved in an incident the results are predictable...

I always thought Asians were bad automobile drivers but in airplanes, good lord! Even Japanese Zero pilots were suicidal.

 

[belchfire]

There have been changes to regulations that may have prevented a spacial disorientation incident such as Buddy Holly was on-part 135 would require a single engine turbine or multi-engined piston aircraft allowing single pilot IFR operations with an autopilot. Instrumentation is better now but if the pilot was not prepared to enter the clouds a night time startle would have been bad. The incident aircraft, while perhaps meeting the IFR requirements of the day, was far from what is considered adequate at this time.

The incident aircraft was an early Beechcraft Bonanza, a single engine airplane with a 185 HP engine, 39 gallon fuel capacity and four seats. As for a "copilot", many Beechcraft of the day had a "throw-over" yoke meaning there were not full, dual controls installed! And yes, there were many IFR flights conducted in airplanes just like it that had safe outcomes...

The point is that there really is no mystery in most of these crashes.

There isn't really that much mystery in the disappearance of Flight 19 if you had ever talked to a guy who flew SAR missions during WWII!

 

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cause of buddy holly plane crash - Pretraži Videozapisi

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Aircraft rudder pedal controls may have been faulty.

 

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cause of lynyrd skynyrd plane crash - Bing video

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cause of jim croce plane crash - Bing video

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The exact cause of the Croce plane crash is still not fully explained today.

 

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cause of glen mliller plane crash - Bing video

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