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The kiss of death?

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We agree here, Lori. My point is that it doesn't matter if the employer tells the pilot that he/she is not an employee. If they participated in the training, there is a training record/history to be disclosed. Some airlines do not pay during training. Using that criteria, some people believe they do not have to disclose their employment - the reasoning being, that if they weren't paid, they weren't employed. I'm giving the other side of the argument, that the lack of a paycheck does not indicate the lack of an employer/employee relationship. The existence of an employer/employee relationship doesn't even matter when it comes down to PRIA matters. If a pilot participates in training, and/or was an employee, it must be reported on a future employment application.

Is that right? That is the conclusion I reached when I looked into PRIA matters.
 
Although I wouldn't call this the "kiss of death", I certainly would be a little concerned about this when interviewing if I were you. You need to play the part of a great defense attorney ala Mark Geragos who is going to get Scott off the hook out west. Not due to the fact that he is "innocent" but rather due to a "story", "part", and a well scripted out plan that is in place. You need to be able to show that what happened once is history and is not enough reason in itself to turn you down. Spend some time coming up with a story to justify this failure and run with it. You will need to accept what has taken place and be able to explain why you are that much more prepared for "success" on this 2nd attempt. I will tell you one thing, a 2nd failure at a 121 carrier is probably going to be the end of the "game". You need to not repeat past problems, experiences, etc. I would not even contemplate applying or accepting any regional position until you are 100% sure that you have solved all past problems that caused you to wash on attempt #1.


Whatever you decide to do, make 100% sure that you disclose any and all information about what happened, you will be in a world of trouble/hurt if you attempt to hide this in any way. The truth will eventually come out and when it does if you tried to hide this in any way it will mean termination of employment, no questions asked....


The best thing you can do is to do some soul searching and decide if this is really something that you want to do. It is ok to shoot for the stars but make sure you have a backup plan that is in place should you end up coming up short.


Since apparently you have interviewed since and have not been able to obtain the "positive" and "desired" results then I think there are more problems that need to be looked at prior to continuing this process. I have met quite a few that have washed out that were still able to get it turned around and got that second chance that they took full advantage of.

Only you can decide if you want it bad enough.


good luck,

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English - I just re-read your post, I understand where you're coming from now. You are absolutely right, sorry I misunderstood. Guess it's past my bed time... :rolleyes:

Say.. the guy who didn't disclose the Pinnacle training - how did Eagle find out about it? Pinnacle wouldn't have known where he was hired or when to send records....
 
I was going through a painful divorce during ground school/basic indoc
and just couldn’t focus.
Like my buddy Lequip said it is a walk in the park if you study and don’t bring any personal problems/distractions along for the ride.
Lequip: I hope we’ll bump into each other some day…, and please say hello to MRWehner for me.
 
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00000KT said:
I was going through a painful divorce during ground school/basic indoc
and just couldn’t focus.
Like my buddy Lequip said it is a walk in the park if you study and don’t bring any personal problems/distractions along for the ride.
Lequip: I hope we’ll bump into each other some day…, and please say hello to
MR Wehner for me.
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Just explain that to the board, most are very understanding pertaining to personal issues. I would think that your 2nd chance would be a much different one...

keep your chin up-

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Part of being a professional is being able to leave your personal crap at home and step up to the plate and do your job. You think English wants to hear her Dr. appologizing to her about how he screwed up her b**b job because he had a bad fight with his wife the night before? I don't think so.
 
Obviously you haven't met me. I don't need a b**b job.


:cool:
 
Lequip said:
Part of being a professional is being able to leave your personal crap at home and step up to the plate and do your job.
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This couldn't be further from the truth. If someone is experiencing a life changing event such as divorce trying to focus on anything let alone a new job with a new company in a new airplane is going to be extremely difficult, at best. This is not the time to "keep the dirty laundry to yourself", it IS the time to explain circumstances to the instructor and in your case 00000KT to the interviewers.



Lori
 
Lori Clark said:
Say.. the guy who didn't disclose the Pinnacle training - how did Eagle find out about it? Pinnacle wouldn't have known where he was hired or when to send records....
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I asked the same thing once... never did get a straight answer. Probably got ratted out to management by someone he rubbed the wrong way during training...
 
How far back does the Pria check go. I believe it is only for the past 5 years. Is this correct? Would this mean if you failed a checkride more then 5 years ago would it not show up?
 
lrn2fly said:
How far back does the Pria check go. I believe it is only for the past 5 years. Is this correct? Would this mean if you failed a checkride more then 5 years ago would it not show up?
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I goes to your employers of the last five years - all training records they retain.
 
Your right English. The B**B job was a bad example. I remember you from Eagle. I should have used the face lift and Lipo as a better example.
 
Lequip, I was thinking your lobotomy would have been a better example.

Anyway, I was 120 pounds when I last worked at Eagle. So now I know you definitely don't know what the **** you are talking about.

Time for you to go, your mommy is calling.
 
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English,

Kudos to you for handling him with such finesse and in such an esteemed manner. You sound like a true eloquent professional.
 

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