The end of Flexjet?

[flexpilot]

SBD

SBD-Sorry 'bout Dat

 

[insomniac]

And WHERE does this article mention Flexjet?? A profitable division of BBD.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

profitable division??
I dont think so!!!

 

[45Driver]

profitable division??
I dont think so!!!

Actually, we were profitable in all 4 qtrs of 2002. Don't get me wrong, nobody's getting rich but, a profit's a profit.

 

[LXJ31]

I know I should resist such flamebait...

but I can't help myself.

Look, everyone has their say about Flexjet, fine, its the American way. But while sifting through these non-sensical messages "Oh, those idiots didn't hire me and look at me now. I fly a Boeing Business Jet, I'm gone five nights a year and I get paid a million dollars PLUS per diem. HAH! Take that Flexjet" or "Avolar is going to buy them...no, I meant Flight Options is going to buy them,... No? Crap... Uhh, Greyhound is going to buy them...No, wait... I got it, their going out of business, yeah thats it, thats the ticket." --- you must realize that %99.9 percent of the Flexjet pilots, flight attendants, instructors, support staff, management etc. do not give a flying %^&$ about these rumors (and very rarely even hear them) that are created in minds thoroughly fouled by dead brain cells and bong resin. Its one thing to post information you gained from personal experience (even if it is several years old) about a company for the benefit of the job hunter. However, its completely asinine to post an article from a newspaper that is rehashing old news (gee, the economy is in bad shape, stop the presses!) that doesn't even apply to the company in question. For the record: Flexjet operated in the black in 2002 and is on pace to do the same in 2003. One of the few profitable divisions for BBD as of late. If I felt like it, (and I don't, I've already given up a few minutes of my life I'll never get back commenting on this) I could find some recent articles referring to job cuts in the Cessna and Gulfstream biz jet families... Where is the post saying Netjets and CitationShares are going TU?

This company has its warts, no one will disagree on that point; we all have our gripes and issues we feel deserve more attention... but it is a good job and I'm proud to work here. Every person I fly with has basically this same attitude: We go to work, we go home and the paycheck clears every two weeks. And as any pilot for Midway, Vanguard, National and any other unfortunate furloughed soul will tell you: frankly, these days, thats enough.

I feel badly about the Flight Ops situation. Obviously, the vast majority of those guys and girls go to work and give a %100. Flight Ops current situation is a result of bad management strategy, and hopefully a good resolution will come about.

 

[GVFlyer]

Re: I know I should resist such flamebai

but I can't help myself.

I could find some recent articles referring to job cuts in the ... Gulfstream biz jet families...

OK, go ahead. Gulfstream has had no reductions in it's force structure in over 15 months. Prevous reductions occurred as the result of right sizing the organization at the end of GV development.

GV

 

[Grim Reaper]

No reductions at GS YET!!. When the frist round goes down range in Iraq we will all see what happens.

UAL is in the crapper. American Airlines to follow. Delta, NW, Cont, all continue to furlough. Corporate jet sales in the crapper. All the privat jet builders in ICT have made substancial reductions. GS ain't gonna go forever without putin' some folks on the streets. Another case of, Oh!, How the mighty have fallen. Also, ask an EJI guy how many new G-IV or G-V the company accepted in 2002.

 

[insomniac]

Nice Job LXJ31. One of the best posts ive read in a while. Remember the big rumor about Flight Options buying Flexjet?? Who comes up with these??If folks would actually DO the research (ie. BBD quarterly's where the CEO of BBD said "Flexjet is NOT for sale") instead of listening to FBO garble, this aviation world would be a much better place. Someone who posts "The end of Flexjet" and doesnt do the research should be shot

 

[LXJ31]

He's right...

...it would have been more accurate for me to state that Gulfstream has NOT had any job cuts since the G-V was rolled out. I was looking at old news when I saw that...it figures, as soon as I get on someone for using old data I go off and do the same thing.

It is accurate, however, to say that all the Wichita based manufacturers have already announced job cuts recently (what a bold statement, I know.) It is also correct that Gulfstream had an awful year last year and isn't looking to do much better this year. I refer you to an article: http://www.savannahnow.com/exchange/stories/012303/EXClocalbriefs.shtml

or two:
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/105408_gulfstream23.shtml

There is also an article referring to Bombardier and the new CEO Tellier with a reference to Gulfstream in today's Toronto Star.

The point of all this is not to overreact everytime a piece of negative news makes the wire because it happens all the time these days. Starting a topic with the header of "The end of Flexjet?" is a prime example of this.

One day at a time.

 

[Publishers]

Quick and the Dead

Bombardier will not be quick to kill Flexjet because of the lack of their product line at Netjets or Flight Options.

Fractionals being the segment with the largest gain of the last few years means they need to be in it.

 

[flexpilot]

Still wonder how they are going to sell airplanes if they don't make them anymore!

 

[Publishers]

short term

If all business was conducted with the short term thinking of these boards, we would be in deep trouble.

 

[750driver]

No reductions at GS YET!!. When the frist round goes down range in Iraq we will all see what happens.

UAL is in the crapper. American Airlines to follow. Delta, NW, Cont, all continue to furlough. Corporate jet sales in the crapper. All the privat jet builders in ICT have made substancial reductions. GS ain't gonna go forever without putin' some folks on the streets. Another case of, Oh!, How the mighty have fallen. Also, ask an EJI guy how many new G-IV or G-V the company accepted in 2002.

GR .... How about a little more optimism? We ALL know things are bad, but this isn't productive.

 

[Publishers]

short term

If all business was conducted with the short term thinking of these boards, we would be in deep trouble.

 

[LXJ31]

Still wonder how they are going to sell airplanes if they don't make them anymore!

Fella, you are dense.

If you'd actually read the article, you would have noticed the important use of the adverb "temporarily" in referring to the Lear production lines. If you'd actually read the article, you might have picked up some context for the story ie. that the economy is limping and the market for all private aircraft is weak. If you'd actually read the article you might have noticed the analyst mention that these market conditions are cyclical and "not the end of the world." If you'd actually read the article, you wouldn't have started a thread under the heading of "The end of Flexjet?" Well done, you are a credit to pilots everywhere and to aviation as a whole.

 

[flexlrpilot357]

*high 5's LXJ31*

 

[Semore Butts]

Geez, turn your head for a minute!

Man! I've been busy for a few weeks and I come back here and Flexjet is going out of business?


Wow! I left just in time!


Let me see, Third largest aircraft manufacturer in the world is gonna "fold" over a downturn in the economy? Shutdown there own "marketing tool" for selling their products?Naaaaahhhhhh!

Flex wasn't for me, but they do have pretty deep pockets, and they are a pretty conservative company (my opinion).

Every other organization in the world is hunkering down for the down economy, why wouldn't Flex?

Then again, I always told my buddies there "there may be a things to do list up in Montreal that says

"OK on May 5th, wash the dishes, take out the trash, and close down Flexjet".

That was one of my reasons for leaving, I just couldn't get a feel for which way they were headed.

To my buddies there, take care!

 

[BrnJetFuel]

Iv'e been with NJA for 6 years and I've been priveleged to fly with pilots from all backgrounds and experience. For the most part 98 percent are great and contribute to making this a great career.

I know that quite a few people post on this and other web sites under the false guise of a fellow NJA pilot while slinging all types of talk at fellow aviators outside of NJA.

Let me say that I know it hurts to be kicked while your down and I hope that none of my fellow bretheren stoop so low to slam our fellow competition. The last couple of years I've worked with both Flex and TA/FlightOptions pilots who have crossed over to NJA and they are just as pleasant and capable as anyone else we have here.

I hope that none of them find themselves out pounding the pavement, as the competition causes us to strive that much more. Afterall the competition is good.

But lets get real and behave a little more professional with oneanother. For the most part I think everyone here at NJA feels the same as I do and those posting otherwise essentially are impersonators trying to create a fire.

If the worst comes to worse at our competiton, I'll gladly fly with any of them. After all we all know how small the aviation comunity is. I've seen too often where people should have been careful of thier dealings with others since it turned out they needed them on the way down.