The Cessna 850

[CA1900]

Agreed. Sometimes I really miss my 1900...the money wasn't anything to write home about, but being home every night was priceless.

I only miss it until I pour myself a cup of hot coffee, and can walk back an hour later and get rid of it!

 

[Stinkbug]

I only miss it until I pour myself a cup of hot coffee, and can walk back an hour later and get rid of it!

Fortunately for me I didn't discover coffee until I upgraded to a plane that regularly goes three or four hours at a stretch...I know, I'm a bit of a late bloomer

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Where ya been amigo? Out abusing your F/O's no doubt.

The divorce took me to cleaners... I now only use the internet at FBO's!

Bwahaa... You know why a divorce is so expensive?

Because their worth it!

 

[gutshotdraw]

AGHHHH Grammar police. They're dude...they're. As in: they are. Their divorce wasn't worth it, yours was. Sorry, couldn't resist.

 

[acaTerry]

It's the new recovery aircraft for the beechjet as we phase out the Xs.

 

[Whale Rider]

Mach .85???? Another SLOWTATION!!! They could've at least made a .94 mach bird. Nice work Cessna on a big/slow piece of junk. :beer:

 

[CA1900]

Mach .85???? Another SLOWTATION!!! They could've at least made a .94 mach bird. Nice work Cessna on a big/slow piece of junk. :beer:

Hey, now! Its target customer has crews on salary. The slower the better.

 

[Tgaug6300]

Mach .85???? Another SLOWTATION!!! They could've at least made a .94 mach bird. Nice work Cessna on a big/slow piece of junk. :beer:

.94 would not be very practical, The airplane must be demonstrated to .07 beyond Mmo (usually done it dive testing).

 

[NJA Capt]

.94 would not be very practical, The airplane must be demonstrated to .07 beyond Mmo (usually done it dive testing).

Close.

Certification requires a .07 safety margin below the max sustainable cruise speed. The max subsonic cruise speed is .99M. No subsonic aircraft can be certified (presently) between .92 and .99 unless it is certified as supersonic. The Citation X did exceed 1.0M in testing.

.85 is a joke! I wouldn't waste a rivet on the thing if they don't plan on making a least .90. Who in their right mind makes a follow on product 8% slower than its 12 year old predecessor???

.92 or BUST

 

[Tgaug6300]

Close.

Certification requires a .07 safety margin below the max sustainable cruise speed. The max subsonic cruise speed is .99M. No subsonic aircraft can be certified (presently) between .92 and .99 unless it is certified as supersonic. The Citation X did exceed 1.0M in testing.

.85 is a joke! I wouldn't waste a rivet on the thing if they don't plan on making a least .90. Who in their right mind makes a follow on product 8% slower than its 12 year old predecessor???

.92 or BUST

I understand what you are saying. But, with the 850 speed is not the goal. Larger Cabin and 4000nm is. The 850 is not being developed to replace the X. The
X has its niche (speed) and fills it. With the upgrades coming for the X it will be around for awhile. The 680s' niche is Short Field and good range.
It comes down to "What is your mission"? .80 and 4000nm is not too bad when you look at the Challenger 300 (they say .80 and 3100nm) or the Falcon 2000 (.80 and 3000nm). The Falcon 2000EX comes close, but still falls 200nm short. Plus I think the above airplanes are .82 (but I could be wrong).

 

[NewmanF16]

[/quote].85 is a joke! I wouldn't waste a rivet on the thing if they don't plan on making a least .90. Who in their right mind makes a follow on product 8% slower than its 12 year old predecessor???

.92 or BUST[/quote]

A stretched X would be a follow on to the X, the 850 is a different class of airplane. The 850 is faster than a Challenger, a Falcon 2000 or G200, it's likely competition. Don't forget, it's easier to underpromise and overdeliver, than to make excuses later to your deposit holders.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Tgaug and Newman:

I'm doing a trip for T.I.S. tomorrow up to ICT. I'll be hanging out in the service center crew lounge until hotel check-in time of around noon or so. If y'all have time come down and join me for some of that good Starbucks coffee.

 

[Whale Rider]

.94 would not be very practical, The airplane must be demonstrated to .07 beyond Mmo (usually done it dive testing).

I'll take an impractical .94 over a slow A$$ .85 any day! That plane is going to be a "White Elephant". I'm sure glad my company decided against it.

 

[NewmanF16]

What did your company decide to go with?

 

[cush]

Looks like a big fat pregnant X. I was hoping for a fresh design...

Much like all the innovative fresh new designs Gulfstream has come up with?

 

[ProFracPilot]

More importantly, does it have a goddam FA

Not to hijack the thread, but do you ask this question in the context of having a FA in the back would be a positive addition to the cabin? Or, are you afraid they'll put a FA back there?

A wise old captain shared with me years ago an observation of FA's that I've found to be dead on: They all have issues...

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Not to hijack the thread, but do you ask this question in the context of having a FA in the back would be a positive addition to the cabin? Or, are you afraid they'll put a FA back there?

A wise old captain shared with me years ago an observation of FA's that I've found to be dead on: They all have issues...

Oh come on: http://youtube.com/watch?v=LUJ_RAZAe6g&feature=related

 

[Whale Rider]

What did your company decide to go with?

Not that piece of junk.

 

[Whale Rider]

Wolfpack,

I don't know if you were hoping for a flying wing, but the LCC is a clean sheet design. It will share almost nothing with the X, other than it looks like a business jet.

If its such a clean sheet design. Why does it look like a giant Citation 650? Must be one of the crumpled clean sheets.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

I'm sure glad my company decided against it.

Like you had a say in the decision. Not.