Thanks SkyWest for being a team player! Pay your own fuel next time...

[General Lee]

I think the General is just pissed because he see's his upgrade slipping ever further away.

On the DC9? I can't wait......

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

You skywest guys are such a bunch of ****************************************....

goddamn you pilots for passing the cost of fuel to Delta!!! the shame...the horror...how do you guys sleep at night.

(god i hope the humor comes across here).

thanks again GL for mentioning me on the 10k post. have gotten a bunch of atta boyz from my homeys for that one...

Mookie

You are welcome. How's ANC treating you? Doing a bunch of PHNL and PLIH? Did you start Kahalui yet?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[viper548]

Nope, just finished off a bottle of wine though

 

[bmpilot2003]

General, SkyWest is taking over all of Skyway's flying. Even if Skywest is losing a few cities(which i haven't heard) it is still a net increase in routes with the 50 seater. The only thing i heard Skywest losing lately was some ground handling contracts, none of which had anything to do with the midwest operation.

 

[Jmoney]

Dc-9

On the DC9? I can't wait......

Bye Bye--General Lee

You will become quite adept at that little round thingy which real pilots tell you to flip one way or the other to make the landing gear do pretty things....

-Go somewhere else and suck your thumb-you retard!

-You are about to get what you deserve! Mergers are never, ever, ever good for employees...... I just feel bad for all the others at DAL who are not idiots-they aren't responsible for what a fool you are and all the bad ju-ju you have brought upon them as well!!!!!

 

[Nevets]

Just sounds like Skywest management is a little bit smarter, in this regard, than Delta management.

 

[SilverandSore]

Did you just graduate from Empty Nipple?

Bye Bye--General Lee

For all of your computer 'prowess', I'm surprised you missed this reference to the cultural phenomenon known as AYB. Google 'All Your Base Are Belong to Us' and enlighten yourself.

PS...I don't think the consumer is going to give up frequency for 2 flights a day in your soon-to-be MD90s from China. Not sure Dothan or Brunswick will ever support that. What do you propose then...?

 

[IronCityBlue]

Two Words
$100 Oil
It's Re-Engineer-The-Business Time...
On An Emergency Basis
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Sector One: Small Lift Providers[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Say Good-Bye To A Lot of Regional Jets, Real Soon. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Fuel Pass-Throughs Will Pass Them Directly To The Desert[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]It should be back-to-the-drawing-board time for small lift providers, what some still call "regional airlines." Maybe time for a period of sheer panic, too. The issue: 50-seat and smaller RJs are being economically marginalized by skyrocketing fuel costs. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Major carriers will be looking to quickly cull out dozens of RJs in the coming months. And hundreds more in the next five years, with no replacement for this lift - or many of the markets they operate - in sight.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Most SLP agreements provide for fuel costs to be a pure pass-through to the major carrier, and that means the majors are eating a lot of red ink. A lot of RJ mission applications that once provided adequate revenue generation are now net drains on major airline systems. They cannot but move quickly to restructure (read: reduce) the fleets of RJs they're leasing in.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Faster Retirements Than Predicted.[/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida][FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Now, with oil hovering at $100 a barrel, that forecast has been revised. The retirement projections are for over 1,700 RJs to come out of fleets for the same ten year period, with the rate front-loaded in the 2008 - 2013 period, representing approximately 835 RJs taken out of service in the US alone. [/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]The net-new figure represents larger CRJs (mostly -900s) coming into SLP fleets to replace 50-seat -200s. But even here, there isn't a whole lot of demand going forward. There are no new-generation <70 seaters on the horizon to replace the current fleet of 50-seat and smaller RJs. That means new fleet mixes.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]It also means fundamentally-revised airline route systems.[/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida][FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Late Night Oil Burning In The Planning Department. As we speak, planning departments at comprehensive network carriers are in full metal jacket status, working to moderate the level of financial drain smaller RJs are inflicting on their systems. [/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Legal departments are working, too, reviewing current service agreements with SLPs. Most contracts are relatively long-term - to 2013 or beyond. The problem is that there is no way that the current number of these RJs can be supported until then with jet-A heading to $3 a gallon and up. Culling the herd in is the cards.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Many agreements contain an early-out provision for the CNC, where a six-month notice can be given. In most cases, however, these notice dates don't become effective until late 2008 or 2009, and majors cannot afford to wait that long to cut RJ lift. So that means doing some deals with current SLPs. A cash payment in exchange for an early-out. Renegotiating the agreement with a financial incentive for the SLP to shift to larger CRJs or even into E-Jets, depending on the status of scope clauses at the CNC.[/FONT]

[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]Small Lift Providers To Watch. Clearly, 50-seaters are in the economic cross-hairs. And any jet airliner smaller than that is just marking time 'til the grim-reaper comes to take it to the Budweiser plant. So the question arises regarding how the SLP sector will survive.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]The hard reality is that the SLP sector will be shrinking markedly over the next three years. Hard fact: there are more 50-seat jets than can be economically flown. Hard fact: that means cutbacks in the number of operators.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]SLPs must move to hasten their fleet migration into larger CRJs or, better, into the Embraer E-Jet platform. But that means bigger units of capacity, higher sector costs, and, ergo, fewer markets where such aircraft can operate compared to what 50-seaters could do before the price of jet-A headed toward the Moon.[/FONT]
[FONT=Tahoma, verdana, lucida]The first option - larger CRJs - will provide better per-seat economics for the CNC customer, and for CRJ-200 operators, a relatively painless shift. But it's still an RJ, and with more seats and higher sector costs, it won't do much for the communities that are in line to see loss of service as the 50-seat cost bar goes up and CNCs cut flights. [/FONT]
[/FONT][/FONT]


Bye Bye--General Lee

Two words

Majors will permanantly sell bigger RJ's to management to outsource for a one time bargaining credit cookie and then wonder where their jobs went.

Sorry, just had to correct the headline. The rest of the article is pretty much spot on.

 

[IronCityBlue]

For all of your computer 'prowess', I'm surprised you missed this reference to the cultural phenomenon known as AYB. Google 'All Your Base Are Belong to Us' and enlighten yourself.

PS...I don't think the consumer is going to give up frequency for 2 flights a day in your soon-to-be MD90s from China. Not sure Dothan or Brunswick will ever support that. What do you propose then...?

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about then. MD-80 payments went from 280,000 per month down to 80,000 per month, and the MD-90's from China are only 9 million each, including engines, and they already have the sims and their mechanics already know how to work on them. The general will pwn this management team by selling them massive RJ outsourcing in bigger RJ's, and then watch as they helplessly give all that flying back to the mainline pilot group because RJ's suck. All your customer belong to them.

 

[120% Torque]

http://www.frogstar.com/aybabtu/aa-history.asp

 

[Speedtape]

General,

Find a new sport! The day frequency is reduced as you describe it, is the beginning of the journey to your next bankruptcy. Thank goodness airlines are not run by pilots or the fortune teller pundits that call themselves airline analysts. Take a deep breath, take your medicine, and find something to do better with your time. How many hours did you waste writing 10,000 posts? How many of your predictions have come true? Are you really a pilot?

So far, none of Boyd's predictions have come true. The only thing that is happening, is that in a buyer's market and a trend to reduce capacity, your company is renegotiating lease payments on all their planes--rjs, md88's, and 737's. The lessors have no choice. Yes, there has been some adjustments in the rj fleets also--but elimination will never happen.

Hub networks have to have more feed and frequency, not less. High aircraft utilization is another element that improves hub networks. Higher frequency, during peak demand seasons, accomplished by increasing aircraft utilization, allows your company to capture additional traffic without increasing the size of the fleet. In slower demand seasons, frequency on a daily basis is adjusted by using future booking stats and balancing supply with demand by parking planes, reallocating flying to smaller planes, and reducing costs. This concept was introduced by Whitehurst and Bastian and has proved to be much more financially efficient.

The smallest plane in your fleet will always be an rj and not an MD88 or MD90. High fuel costs have an inflationary affect on your customers including the business traveler and your pleasure travelers--it's not the cost of the ticket, but the increased costs of everything consumed which reduces discretionary income. This will affect demand. When demand goes down, rjs will replace those larger planes that cannot break even as load factors drop. MD88's will replace 757's, and 757's will replace 767's--downsizing capacity to match demand.

BaBye!

 

[Jon Rivoli]

How do we reduce frequency without leaving a market? We put a mainline plane in there twice a day, and take out 5 RJs. We squeeze everyone on two flights

Need to check your math there General. Five RJ's would be 250 seats. How many on an MD? 150? So two of your mainline flights would be a net increase of about 50 seats or so. No need to squeeze anyone on at all or do you cut it to one mainline flight a day?

Pull just one RJ and you reduce capacity by 20%. What do you really think your marketing people are going to do?

And what? Go out and SPEND MONEY to buy 100 used MD's to reduce capacity. Good thing you're not running the show at Delta.

Majors will permanantly sell bigger RJ's to management to outsource for a one time bargaining credit cookie and then wonder where their jobs went.


There goes your upgrade.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

General, I don't know who writes these reports. But I'll tell you- except for an occasional off day, I'm flying maxed out seats in my little RJ.

I do my best to conserve fuel. Not to protect your cushy little job, I do it because I don't like 3 dollars a gallon at the pump.

SKW flying is down a little in SLC. This is only because Mother Delta gave some to Expressjet. Funny how your beloved company can't pay it's bill to SKW, but can give more flying to a more expensive feeder. Actions like this are usually indicative of financial hardships on the horizon- so you better hope your little "merger" happens to bail you out once again.

Don't think the NWA guys are just going to roll over so your life stays good.I'll make a prediction that if this merger goes through, you'll be griping about some part of it within 6 mos.

 

[trip]

Hey General- You "pay the gas or show us the cash" nobody rides for free!!

 

[CRJCptn]

I remember way back when, following a maddog in CSG. Do you realy want all these routes back???

 

[737 Pylt]

re: skywest causing Delta a loss

I have to agree with the above posters......Its not the Skywest pilots' fault that Delta's inept management made a deal promising to pay for their fuel (its not even Skywest management's fault). Kudos to them for making a good deal like that. Heck, if someone offered to pay for the gas in my car, I wouldn't turn them down while contracted to haul people around. Its the course of doing business. Shame on Delta's management for making such a rediculous deal!
Now about those 90 seat payrates skywest pilots.......imp:

737

 

[goahead]

There 76 seat pay rates remember

 

[MONKEY]

Anyone who thinks that a regional should pay their own fuel bill just doesn't get it.

In theory each regional flight is made up of fixed costs + fuel. The major partner knows how much each seat will cost them. They need to charge enough to cover that plus profit. If they don't do that, then it is their fault not the regional, which has no control over pricing and scheduling.

But then again, airlines forgot long ago how to make a profit.

 

[Popeye0537]

There 76 seat pay rates remember

Another cool-aid drinker....your rates are pitiful, and nice raise you got there.

 

[Dubya]

Phew. Good thing DL hung on to all those fuel sipping MD's.