tell me what you all think of this....

[808pilot]

i'm simply looking for a bunch responses to the following incident to get others opinions on the matter......i haven't used names or the real company.....

a friend of mine has been with a smaller regional for over a year now and has built quite a foundation of respect and trust with the company. i went to flight training with this person and we became great friends.....well, while he has been flying with the rest of you guys under the 121 title, myself and a few other friends of his have been slugging away at the other side, flight instructing to build our time to join your ranks....
well, my friend decided to help out another friend who had a few more hours than us as a way to start establishing a name for our flight school and the type of pilots that come out of it, so he walked in our friends resume and lo' and behold the guy got the interview and ultimately got hired. we were all stoked! our buddy showed us that it can be done and we were forever grateful for our friend knowing that when the time came he would walk in our resumes.....
well, that time came and we were still holding our breathes to make sure the other guy would get through training and what not....our buddy walked in our resumes, right to the chief pilot and told us things looked good and just keep your fingers crossed.....so we did.
HOWEVER....we come to find out that the guy who got hooked up in the first place and was already half way through sim training just up and quits. He began citing the company for being unsafe, conducting poor company attitudes and poor maintainence.....this was the same guy that had done his research before hand and begged our buddy for help.....so the guy bad mouths the company who hired him and had already paid for most of the training, trashes our buddies reputation with the company for any future referals, and now wants to come back to the flight school to get his old job back after he couldn't shut up enough about the fact that he was leaving us all behind....

so, am i wrong to be pi$$ed that this guy more than likely ruined my chances as well as the others with me? would you guys be pi$$ed if you were in our shoes? i'm sure i have missed key points in the matter and i know i'm looking at it through the eyes of a desperate low time pilot who should pay his dues until he is ready.....BUT, that is not what i am asking. just looking for others imputs and what and how you would react and blah blah blah.....

 

[Ben Franklin]

That is bad what your former co-worker did and will ultimately reflect poorly on him. However, any company that would not hire you after equating you with your former co-worker just because you worked for the same company is no place that you would want to work anyway. That is probably not what you wanted to hear, but you asked for input.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

 

[Meiguy]

Man the guy that quit training is a absolute idiot. Why would you up and quit a 121 program that you worked so hard to get to and then go back to flight instructing. Something doesn't add up. How can he after not even finishing training or flown the real plane make statements on attitudes and mx and whatever else he said. Sounds to me like he was the one with the bad attitude and may have been close to being released from training and this is his way of covering up his own inadequaces.

Maybe your friend that is already there can figure out what really happened and try to build the bridge back. Although there are alot of other regionals hiring so I wouldn't sweat just one of them. Also, tell one of your buddies friends at the airline to walk your resume in for him. Once your at the interview they won't really care how you got there but about your knowledge and personality.

 

[DX Rick]

Go to the ATM, take out $80.
Go to the nearest sporting goods store.
Look for a nice solid Louisville Slugger.
Go to you friends house, and "Thank Him."

 

[temcgrew]

I feel the same way. How in the world could he know how bad or good the Mx department is? You really don't get a feel for that until you are out flying the line for some time and deal with Mx for yourself. This is usually after upgrading.

Youre friend sounds like a hotshot who probably would have argued with a Sim Instructor and been washed out anyway.

How can you judge a whole company by a few bad attitudes in the training department?

I don't think he ruined your chances, everyone is different no matter were you worked.

 

[English]

Let me guess...Hawaii...?

 

[flyer172r]

Go to the ATM, take out $80.
Go to the nearest sporting goods store.
Look for a nice solid Louisville Slugger.
Go to you friends house, and "Thank Him."

Remember, the guy's a flight instructor. Meaning he probably doesn't have the $80 to carry out your suggestion

 

[808pilot]

no not hawaii...but it could have helped me get back to hawaii.....
yeah, apparently he also complained that the instructors treated them as if they were being hazed as if in the military (which he has not been in), apparently an instructor walked in one day and kicked over a trash can because the previous sim flt the guys couldn't fly the instruments smooth enough for the locale they fly (think mountains).....
anyway, my own dad has flown the airline before as a passenger and he was a former USAF pilot in vietnam and said that he thought the company did a great job....
ahhhh, whatever...i'm going to follow up anyway and let them know i'm still interested....
oh, by the way.....supposedly he nailed the sim in the interview, but we all kind of knew he had issues with instrument flying before hand....guess he slipped through the radar with no mode c and when asked to ident forgot how.....

 

[EMB170Pilot]

who gives a crap about your "friend" or whatever you want to call him.

Give it a shot and Meiguy is right, get into the interview and be yourself and you will do fine.

Good Luck man!

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Remember, the guy's a flight instructor. Meaning he probably doesn't have the $80 to carry out your suggestion

Use the tow bar then, it's free.

 

[TWA Dude]

However, any company that would not hire you after equating you with your former co-worker just because you worked for the same company is no place that you would want to work anyway.

Maybe, maybe not. There's probably no official policies but people talk and impressions are made. This works in both positive and negative directions. Last week I happened to have the chief pilot of Allegiant Airlines jumpseat on us. Knowing that a number of furloughed TWA guys work there I made a point of thanking him for hiring them (some airlines are fickle about hiring furloughees). He replied that he loved them there and I should tell more of my buds to apply. The following day I received an email from a bud who'd (coincidentally) just interviewed at Allegiant and apparently the chief mentioned his positive jumpseating experience on us. Now just consider how his state of mind could've been affected had I pissed him off!

The bottom line is the subject of this tread could very well have left a bad taste in the hiring department of that carrier but all hope isn't lost if the others work out fine. Everyone knows bad apples can be found everywhere. (And BTW I agree that there's probably more to the story than has been revealed.)

 

[User546]

You don't live in Arizona do you?

 

[TWA Dude]

You don't live in Arizona do you?

{in my best Bob DeNiro Taxi Driver imitation} You talkin' to me?
If y'are, nope, I live in the great state of Wisconsin.

 

[~~~^~~~]

That is bad what your former co-worker did and will ultimately reflect poorly on him. However, any company that would not hire you after equating you with your former co-worker just because you worked for the same company is no place that you would want to work anyway.

Sincerely,

B. Franklin

Unless it was Gulfstream.

 

[100LL... Again!]

We need the equivalent of a scab list for losers like this.

 

[SiuDude]

Unless it was Gulfstream.

I think that guy made some Great Mistakes.

 

[Socalplt]

It is obvious this guy got to the end of sim training and couldn't make it. Either the instructor wouldn't sign him off or he started failing rides. At this point it is in the company's best interest to let him resign as oppose to firing him (potential legal reasons). He doesn't want to come back and say he couldn't hack it so he invents other reasons.

I'd highly doubt the company would pay any attention to where either of you worked.