TabExpress??

[say again]

Only reason Im considering an "acadamy" type place is because I'm older, 37, and have heard Regionals don't generally hire pilots over 40.

They do hire pilots over 40, if they meet the qualifications and pass the interview. An "academy" is not a bad choice, but there are many others to choose from without having to deal with the BS over there!!!



Anyway, I heard they were looking to hire a D.O. and a chief pilot!!! Some positive thinking going on over there. I would personally STAY AWAY!!!!!

 

[svcta]

He's right: Don't consider yourself less desireable because you're almost 40. That's no problem. Stay away from these PFT outfits. Truth is, that could be way more of a problem with some pilots on a hiring panel.

 

[moxiepilot]

Only reason Im considering an "acadamy" type place is because I'm older, 37, and have heard Regionals don't generally hire pilots over 40.

Don't believe the hype. I've found I can finish quicker at a non-academy place anyway. I've been to 141 schools and 61 mom & pop shops. Honestly, the 141 adacemys usually have too many students, too few instructors and couldn't care less about getting you done in a specified period of time.

The part 61 schools I have found have instructors enthusiastic to meet your goals, get you finished quickly and safely. I currently fly every day at a part 61 to build time and work on other ratings. At Both 141 places I have been to I flew 3 times a week at my peak, but only averaged 1 time per week due to other student ratio to instructors.

But all in all PFT with TAB isn't going to get you a job faster. They can hardly keep their fleet in the air, took a lot of folks money and haven't given it back, and haven't delivered what was promised.

 

[FlyWithSean]

Why wouldnt a regional airline hire a pilot at 40 years old??? You can possibly give that company 20 years until you can't fly anymore!!

As far as the fact that you need turbine time to get into a regional thats hooey. Scenic airlines right now will put you right seat in a 1900 with 600 or so hours. Thats Part 121 turbine, better than anything they could offer you at TAB or GStream. My point being why pay to sit right seat when you can do it for FREE!!!

 

[wheelsup]

they were out of money long before Key Bank dropped the incoming students.

Remember ATA (Airline Training Academy)? The same people running TAB were associated with ATA. Hmmmmmmmmmm....makes you think, huh?

~wheelsup

 

[350DRIVER]

Why wouldnt a regional airline hire a pilot at 40 years old??? You can possibly give that company 20 years until you can't fly anymore!!

As far as the fact that you need turbine time to get into a regional thats hooey. Scenic airlines right now will put you right seat in a 1900 with 600 or so hours. Thats Part 121 turbine, better than anything they could offer you at TAB or GStream. My point being why pay to sit right seat when you can do it for FREE!!!

Partially true...

Will a regional hire a pilot at or older than 40 years of age?. Most definitely, they have done so for years and will continue to do so. Do a search on the Mesa Airlines Pilot Development program, a good way to get to the right seat at 300 hours and in 19 or so months. Rich Castle and company have a very good, proven, and successful program that works.

I have a hard time believing that Tab has closed it's doors, although that sure would be nice..


I do agree, "renting" a right seat out for X amount of hours is insane given the low times that many regionals require present day.

No need to "buy" or "rent" a seat out when the same position at a much better regional can be had in a short amount of time at no cost.

good luck and do a search on the Mesa Airlines Pilot Development program, much information has been offered by myself and many others from this board.

If any of us have a hope to ever make a decent living flying airplanes then NONE of us can afford to PFT. It's places like this(gulfstream, etc.) and the people who fall for it who keep pay scales down. It's a critical issue at the regional level and will only work it's way up as time goes on. Head on over to the regional forum and do a thread search on PFT for some more perspective. Consider the big picture, and have a little dignity as a professional(even an aspiring one).

sv,

Good post... Sad thing is that whenever a "shortcut" presents itself and money is not an issue you will always have people waiting in line who are young and naive about the "big picture" and these PFT outfits.

 

[FlyWithSean]

OK now that you are done with your advertisement for Mesa Airlines Pilot Development program. I hope you dont work for them because if you do go sell your snake oil somewhere else!!!

Scenic will not put a new hire first officer in the right seat of a 1900, inside and credible sources have said this has not been done before. All new hires start out in the Twotter.

Never been done before huh? Wow you sound pretty sure of yourself! Either your retarded or your "inside and credible sources" are not so credible. Just a few months ago 3 new hires were sent to Flight Safety for 1900 FO training. These guys never even smelled the Grand Canyon turbulence.

But you know more than I do since I worked there for the past year and my wife is currently a pilot on the 1900.

Check your sources, and one look at my aircraft flown would maybe have tipped you off that I work there.

 

[350DRIVER]

The above was merely a suggestion as an alternative to the practice of "renting" a seat out. I have never worked nor have I ever been associated with the company directly, I do however appreciate your concern. I am friend's with a few check airmans', cap ee tins', and know Rich Castle so I do know about the Mesa program if that counts?.

I guess xxxxxxxxxx xxxxx and company may not want that word to get out then, I have been wrong a few times in my life, again appreciate the correction. Sure of myself?. Just what I have been told, don't shoot the messenger, I was simply posting what has been passed along.

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Enjoy LAS, great place. .

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[EDUC8-or]

By the way, Tab is back. I heard them on the radios a few times yesterday.

 

[mayday1]

If any of us have a hope to ever make a decent living flying airplanes then NONE of us can afford to PFT. It's places like this(gulfstream, etc.) and the people who fall for it who keep pay scales down. It's a critical issue at the regional level and will only work it's way up as time goes on. Head on over to the regional forum and do a thread search on PFT for some more perspective. Consider the big picture, and have a little dignity as a professional(even an aspiring one).

from an outsider looking in, PFT is not helping the aviation industry, but I would venture to say it's not really the reason pay scales are low... it's the droves of qualified pilots who eagerly jump at $18K/yr FO jobs. It's supply and demand. As long as there's a supply of qualified pilots who will work for peanuts, then that's what airlines will pay.

 

[say again]

By the way, Tab is back. I heard them on the radios a few times yesterday.

What's their call sign?

 

[Fly_Chick]

Only reason Im considering an "acadamy" type place is because I'm older, 37, and have heard Regionals don't generally hire pilots over 40.

Please do not let you age deter you. Also, please do not think an "academy" will get you there faster than a part 61 school. You can do just as much at a part 61 school as a 141 school, it really is all what you, as an individual, make of it.

 

[EDUC8-or]

What's their call sign?

I heard Tab####, but in the past I've also heard Tab Trainer####. I know they were shooting a few approaches in VMC, so I doubt there were any passengers on board.

 

[Batfish]

Stay Away

Has anyone heard anything about Tab Express Airlines based in FL? They have a deal where you do your training with them and once you have completed the training succesfully and if you sign a 4 year contract with them they will pay back all your training costs. I thought that this sounded a little sketchy. If anyone knows anything positive or negative, let me know, thanks.

I wouldn't touch Tab Express with a 10 foot pole. Ask the students from the first 3 classes how much help they got getting jobs. Answer NONE. The only students that are flying from then went and instructed and/or time built to get more time to get a job. Which is of course what they said you would never do. Then later on the call comes we can get you a job a Colgan as an F/0......for another 18k, no thanks! The invented their airline b/c they weren't getting people jobs at real airlines, they love to squeeze every last dime out of their captives, and b/c el commandant has a poweful lust to be the big man somewhere, even if it is in his own mind.

The primary recruiter for ATA Mitch is/was the main recruiter/ commandant / cool aid salesman for Tab Express. (not the owner)

If you go there let me tell you what will happen. You will spend a rediculous amount of money, take far longer than they say then spend more money for a job you could get by instructing for a year. Despite the bs they tell you being an instructor is respected and you can/will get the exact same job. Or if you want to spend money just go and time build in a 152, and you would still get the job for faaaaaaar less money. The regionals really don't care if you have turboprop time, wooptedoo. They are easier to fly than a piston twin. No mixture to finness and no worries about hurting the engines with abrupt power changes.

DON'T DO IT!!! DON'T DO IT!!!!DON'T DO IT!!!! You don't even need what they SAY they are selling much less what you will really get.

 

[Flechas]

I agree, do a search here, they will take all your money and leave you without a job.