Tab Express, Deland, Fla

[DFries]

Does anyone have any info on pricing at Tab express? It seems to be a well kept secret!! I know their 0 time program is about 100 large, but need to find out how much it costs if you already have comm multi and instrument ratings. Any info would be a big help.

 

[wheelsup]

You must go through the program completely again, but on the plus side you'll save a few bucks 'cause you won't have to take the actual checkride again .

BTW, the last part was sarcasim if you didn't catch on right away...

~wheelsup

 

[BoilerUP]

Before this gets interesting, and I KNOW it will, I'd just like to offer two groups of four letters as an alternative:

MAPD PACE

 

[rumpletumbler]

I'm supposed to e-mail my resume to [email protected] but then I need to

Qualify for a Key Bank Loan (with or without a co-signer) to cover all training costs. Fair to good credit is necessary.

and then

Spend 7 to 11 months in the airline training center ($2000/month living expenses withdrawal from Key Bank Loan)

Why isn't there a scratching head smiley?

 

[DFries]

I'm supposed to e-mail my resume to [email protected] but then I need to and then Why isn't there a scratching head smiley?

Have they quoted you a price yet?

 

[rumpletumbler]

Have they quoted you a price yet?

haha no! If I were going to buy a job I'd do it with ASA as they are local to me. I can buy that one for $30,000. However I don't have the level of experience needed to do this kind of job so it would be dangerous for me to be placed in that position. I would be a hazard to myself and others and a hindrance to the Captain. When/IF I finally made Captain myself I would be a dangerous pilot because I had not built the experience that is required to have this job and do it safely. Do yourself a favor and go the road of experience. Don't buy a job that you aren't qualified for.

 

[DFries]

Do you really think that another 300 hrs flying a 152 from the right seat is going to give you the "Right Stuff" for that regional job? Have a Little confidence in your ability to LEARN! The Military has been using the same type of programs since the '30's to train their pilots in the shortest time posible. They have guys with 400 hrs in 1 year in the right seats of c-5's kc-10's b-1's etc. I hardly think you will walk through the door at ASA or TAB, throw the check on the counter and jump in the seat of an RJ or a Beech 1900. I do remember hearing somthing about some sort of training program somwhere in there! I think it involved a month or so in the simulator before you even see the ramp. As far as qualifications, in the last 10 years as an A+P Mechanic for a Major airline, I have found that my systems knowlege is better than most of the FO's on the line and a good majority of the Captains. If you think sitting in the right seat of a twin turboprop, or even a small jet would hinder its operation, then you probably SHOULDN'T be there, and neither should the captain. If these programs werent sucessful, they wouldnt be around. And the Regionals would not come to places like Tab, ASA, Gulfstream, etc. to Recruit. Don't knock a sensible alternative to years of slow time building. If you have the Drive, the ambition, the ability to learn, and of course the MONEY These places are a sensible option.

 

[bobbysamd]

P F T flamebait

The Military has been using the same type of programs since the '30's to train their pilots in the shortest time posible. They have guys with 400 hrs in 1 year in the right seats of c-5's kc-10's b-1's etc. I hardly think you will walk through the door at ASA or TAB, throw the check on the counter and jump in the seat of an RJ or a Beech 1900. I do remember hearing somthing about some sort of training program somwhere in there!

Never mind the fact that the miltary hand-picks its flight candidates. It also takes longer than one year to train a military pilot. These are extremely talented people; I know because I instructed some of their rejects!! I have a lot of time instructing, and these rejects were extremely sharp people. The only talent you need for TAB is the ability to write a check.

And the Regionals would not come to places like Tab, ASA, Gulfstream, etc. to Recruit.

For one thing, Gulfstream is an airline and has its own P-F-T program. Pinnacle is the only known regional that recruits from Gulftream. ASA is a long-standing regional airline that hires off the street along with some FSI and DCA grads. There is no proof that TAB has sent any of its P-F-T pilots to regionals - though it does "guarantee" "interviews."

Don't knock a sensible alternative to years of slow time building. If you have the Drive, the ambition, the ability to learn, and of course the MONEY These places are a sensible option.

. . . if you want to risk being ripped off, blackballed and eschewed by your peers, and want to make your Faustian bargain, it is completely sensible. Aviation is a conservative, traditional business that respects hard work, persistence and "years of slow time building," and rejects and resents end-runners.

There is at least one individual here who accuses anti-P-F-T people like me of envy, seeking pity, being jealous, and a host of the other seven deadly sins. Envious of what? It takes no special ability or qualifications to P-F-T. It only takes money. Anyone with money or a Key loan can buy a job. If you don't have the former you can get the latter. He knows who he is. His sole purpose is to revel in and enjoy others' bad luck and misfortune without providing constructive comment. I won't waste my time answering his posts. Let him accuse, revel and enjoy.

 

[Fallingbrick]

Flame on!!

 

[JD2003]

TAB will steel money from you...don't go there

 

[350DRIVER]

DFries,

Look into the Mesa Pace program and stay far away from Tab. Don't worry about not having the experience once you are on the line. Rumpletumbler is living in some sort of fantasy world, you will not get through training, pass sim check, IOE, etc, if you are not ''prepared", "safe", etc. Mesa has been putting 300 hour pilots in the right seat of jets and props for years and they have had no problems with making the transition at lower flight times. Just do yourself a favor and stay away from Tab and do a board search here. I don't ever recall reading any accident report about a 300 hour pilot at Mesa dinging any piece of metal.

Take some of the above comments with a grain of salt.

good luck

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[mozzer]

Original posted by JD2003:
"TAB will steel money from you...don't go there"


and your copper, gold, and silver.....make sure you take out your teeth.

 

[bobbysamd]

Do not pick up the PACE

Mesa PACE is the current version of a pay-for-interview program it started about ten years ago. Unlike MAPD, which is a Part 141 flight school in which you earn ratings that are recognized everywhere, PACE provides training esoteric to Mesa Airlines, only. As with MAPD, you get "the interview" at the end, but you are not guaranteed of being hired (nor are you at MAPD). The difference between the two is if you're not hired at Mesa Airlines by way of PACE you walk away with a bunch of worthless time in your logbook for which you paid a bunch of money. With MAPD you have at least earned your ratings and a two-year college degree, so you are leaving with something tangible and universally recognized.

In any event, stay away from TAB and other P-F-T outfits.

 

[rumpletumbler]

Rumpletumbler is living in some sort of fantasy world, you will not get through training, pass sim check, IOE, etc, if you are not ''prepared", "safe", etc.

I can assure you that I could get through all that and pass. I cannot buy the experience that I need to be a safe competent pilot, that I must earn. ANYBODY can fly the f'ing airplane and memorize books/procedures....it is experience that keeps you alive when the arafat hits the fan. I feel like I'm talking to a child, does no one else understand what I'm talking about?

 

[The_Russian]

I understand. They don't like to listen. No matter how many facts you bring to the table.

 

[bentherdunthat]

TAB Express

All I can say about TAB is RUN, run as fast as you can away from there.
I spent a few months there for a little turbine training, not bad training, however the cost is way to high. the folks I met there training were constantly being ripped off. To this day (over 1.5 years) I still am struggling to get money back from the crooks at tab. This is how they get you.....

The first day in class you get the contract, sign it now or leave, no - you cant take it out of the building to review it or let anyone else see it.
Training will always get delayed, costing you more in living expenses.
Broken airplanes, the paint jobs are great but the avionics and general mechanical condition are the worst I have ever seen, hence more delays in mechanicals and delayed checkrides.
The price of the coarse includes an excessive amount of sim time, (these sims are no better than what you have at home)which most people dont need. If you complain about it they will take you off the training schedule until you conform and agree to all the sim time. And if they think you need more time (which they always will) they will make you pay for more time, if you dont agree you are taken off the training sched. until you agree.

I could go on, but this post would be 10 pages long............take a word of advise and run as fast as you can from TAB. spread the word - they are a rip off..........This is why the dont post testimonials from previous students or wont give you names of previous students, oh they will give you 1 the mouthy sales pitchmans son.....

 

[RSixer]

Tab express expliots pilots!

Tab express is marketing on the same idea Gulfstream Academy did before 9/11, take young inexperienced pilots, and make them pay for thier jobs. This is a scam and a dark spot in the aviation job market which needs to be driven out, they would have to hire pilots for the position anyway so why not take people who dont know any better and expliot them, and its not even PIC time to boot. Any job you have to pay for should raise a red flag with anybody, and once the honeymoon wears off, the regret sinks in, but by then its to late, you'll be paying for it long after you leave, think about that. The way things are going now nobody should have to pay for a job outright. If your low time looking for a job to build more, look to the smaller legitimate commuters like Colgan Air, Mesa, Commute Air, they dont pay much but its a legit job and you dont have to pay for it.

 

[bobbysamd]

TAB Review - or - Don't pick up the TAB

All I can say about TAB is RUN, run as fast as you can away from there . . . .

Good review and post above, thank you.

 

[bobbysamd]

Tab

Tab express is marketing on the same idea Gulfstream Academy did before 9/11, take young inexperienced pilots, and make them pay for thier jobs. This is a scam and a dark spot in the aviation job market which needs to be driven out, they would have to hire pilots for the position anyway so why not take people who dont know any better and expliot them, and its not even PIC time to boot. Any job you have to pay for should raise a red flag with anybody . . . .

(emphasis added)

More good comments capturing the essence of P-F-T . . . though there are also more experienced pilots who are so desperate to be pilots and cannot be hired for free that they, too, purchase their jobs.

Once again, it is just a job. One with pride and self-respect does not pay for a job, any job.

 

[JD2003]

I spoke to a friend of mine the other day at TAB. Mitch Mitchelson and Bob Adamo have collected 100 thousand dollars from 100 would be FO's to date and none of them have flown a single hour in the Beech 1900D.

Some have been languishing in Deland Florida for over a year waiting for the airline to start and havn't logged a single hour on the airline. Meanwhile the crooks are collecting interest on all that money.

The owner buy's himself a stinkin yellow ferrari but can't give these people a refund when they want off his sinking ship. They are stuck. Their career hopes smashed. Their credit is maxed so they cannot continue training anywhere else...They will steal your money and your time.