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Syrian musicians were just that, not terrorists, say FAMs

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[font=Trebuchet MS,Bookman Old Style,Arial]http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/skyterror.asp

Claim:
Reporter encounters terrorists on airline flight who are making a dry run at assembling a bomb on-board.

Status: False.

Example: [font=Trebuchet MS,Arial][Jacobsen, 2004]



On June 29, 2004, at 12:28 p.m., I flew on Northwest Airlines flight #327 from Detroit to Los Angeles with my husband and our young son. Also on our flight were 14 Middle Eastern men between the ages of approximately 20 and 50 years old. What I experienced during that flight has caused me to question whether the United States of America can realistically uphold the civil liberties of every individual, even non-citizens, and protect its citizens from terrorist threats.

On that Tuesday, our journey began uneventfully. Starting out that morning in Providence, Rhode Island, we went through security screening, flew to Detroit, and passed the time waiting for our connecting flight to Los Angeles by shopping at the airport stores and eating lunch at an airport diner. With no second security check required in Detroit we headed to our gate and waited for the pre-boarding announcement. Standing near us, also waiting to pre-board, was a group of six Middle Eastern men. They were carrying blue passports with Arabic writing. Two men wore tracksuits with Arabic writing across the back. Two carried musical instrument cases - thin, flat, 18 long. One wore a yellow T-shirt and held a McDonald's bag. And the sixth man had a bad leg -- he wore an orthopedic shoe and limped. When the pre-boarding announcement was made, we handed our tickets to the Northwest Airlines agent, and walked down the jetway with the group of men directly behind us.

My four-year-old son was determined to wheel his carry-on bag himself, so I turned to the men behind me and said, You go ahead, this could be awhile. No, you go ahead, one of the men replied. He smiled pleasantly and extended his arm for me to pass. He was young, maybe late 20's and had a goatee. I thanked him and we boarded the plan.

Once on the plane, we took our seats in coach (seats 17A, 17B and 17C). The man with the yellow shirt and the McDonald's bag sat across the aisle from us (in seat 17E). The pleasant man with the goatee sat a few rows back and across the aisle from us (in seat 21E). The rest of the men were seated throughout the plane, and several made their way to the back.

[Rest of article here]
Origins: The "Terror in the Skies, Again?" article written by Annie Jacobsen and published on WomensWallStreet.com, in which she details her experience with passengers (whom she viewed as terrorists) on a 29 June 2004 flight from Detroit to Los Angeles, caused quite a stir, to say the least. That article contained a good deal of supposition, and a follow-up article, identified as an "Opinion Piece," didn't offer much to validate author's assumptions.

As things turned out, although the events Ms. Jacobsen claims to have witnessed on her flight did occur (more or less), her interpretation of them (that they involved a group of terrrorists making a dry run for building a bomb in-flight) was erroneous. The men she observed on her flight were exactly what authorities told her they were: a group of Syrian musicians who had been hired to play at the Sycuan Casino & Resort near San Diego. Like any other group of passengers, the men in musical ensemble talked to each other, moved around, ate food, and used the restrooms while the flight was in progress.

According to federal air marshals, Ms. Jacobsen "overreacted":
Undercover federal air marshals on board a June 29 Northwest airlines flight from Detroit to LAX identified themselves after a passenger, "overreacted," to a group of middle-eastern men on board, federal officials and sources have told KFI NEWS.

The passenger, later identified as Annie Jacobsen, was in danger of panicking other passengers and creating a larger problem on the plane, according to a source close to the secretive federal protective service.

"The lady was overreacting," said the source. "A flight attendant was told to tell the passenger to calm down; that there were air marshals on the plane."

The middle eastern men were identified by federal agents as a group of touring musicians travelling to a concert date at a casino, said Air Marshals spokesman Dave Adams.

Jacobsen wrote she became alarmed when the men made frequent trips to the lavatory, repeatedly opened and closed the overhead luggage compartments, and appeared to be signaling each other.

"Initially it was brought to [the air marshals] attention by a passenger," Adams said, adding the agents had been watching the men and chose to stay undercover.

Jacobsen and her husband had a number of conversations with the flight attendants and gestured towards the men several times, the source said.

"In concert with the flight crew, the decision was made to keep [the men] under surveillance since no terrorist or criminal acts were being perpetrated aboard the aircraft; they didn’t interfere with the flight crew," Adams said.

The air marshals did, however, check the bathrooms after the middle-eastern men had spent time inside, Adams said.

FBI agents met the plane when it landed in Los Angeles and the men were questioned, and Los Angeles field office spokeswoman Cathy Viray said it's significant the alarm on the flight came from a passenger.

"We have to take all calls seriously, but the passenger was worried, not the flight crew or the federal air marshals," she said. "The complaint did not stem from the flight crew."

Federal agents later verified the musicians’ story.

'We followed up with the casino," Adams said. A supervisor verified they were playing a concert. A second federal law enforcement source said the concert itself was monitored by an agent.

"We also went to the hotel, determined they had checked into the hotel," Adams said. Each of the men were checked through a series of databases and watch-lists with negative results, he said.

The source said the air marshals on the flight were partially concerned Jacobsen’s actions could have been an effort by terrorists or attackers to create a disturbance on the plane to force the agents to identify themselves.

Air marshals' only tactical advantage on a flight is their anonymity, the source said, and Jacobsen could have put the entire flight in danger.

"They have to be very cognizant of their surroundings," spokesman Adams confirmed, "to make sure it isn't a ruse to try and pull them out of their cover."
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Someone needs to take Annies CRAYONS away from her and put her back in her crib. :eek:
 
I still contend that this raises an issue discussed in some of the other threads. In this era of heightened security, anonymous terror alerts and all that, passengers of all stripes need to be cognizant of how their behavior might be interpreted on the flight. "Gee, will someone think I'm suspicious if me and four guys all gather around the front lavatory?" Really, now. What ever happened to common sense? People who behave like that ought to be prosecuted simply for acting stupidly. And no, I don't buy the argument that "what if they've never flown on an airplane." No.

Peter
 
Let's think about this rationally...

Your traveling in a large group for work. You want and need to gather to discuss various issues relating your forthcoming presentation. Where, on an airplane, is there enough room for people to gather, about four or five bodies, to circle up and discuss things? In the aisle? No, it's far too narrow and there are passengers all around whom you don't wish to disturb. In the galley? No, the flight attendants are back there talking their smack or preparing for a service and scare off anybody hanging around their caves. Well, where else is there? Ah, in the open space around the lavatory! On most widebodies, there is something of a "public space" in the general vicinity of the lavs where people gather to wait for grandma to get her business done.

So, your group gets together, discusses something completely innocent in your native language, but because your skin is not snow-white, you're a "person of suspicion" who shouldn't leave his seat for the entirity of the flight or talk with anyone in your group with whom you are travelling. What a bunch of crap! If 4 or 5 sales managers traveling to a business conference gathered together in their pin-stripe shirts and 100% silk ties, no one would even them them a second glance. If you want to limit to actions of Middle Easterners on flights, whether innocent or not, based SOLELY on their race, then I expect all white men renting a Ryder truck and/or purchasing fertilizer in a city which has a federal building to be ran off the road by patriotic Americans and interrogated thoroughly.

This mass hysteria of anyone Muslim must stop.
 
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I had a woman on my flight after 9/11, (she was white) who kept looking up and down the aisles and was acting very suspicious. She made me very nervous. So, I walked up to her and asked if she needed something. She said she did not. I told her that after 9/11, looking around and observing the crew was not a good practice. She did not even realize what she was doing.

On another flight after 9/11, I had a woman go hysterical on me. She was screaming (prior to landing) that she needed to get out of the airplane. Turns out she had mental problems. However, she was just as dangerous to the flight crew because once out of control and hyped up on adreneline, she could have hurt any one of us or another passenger. I had a deadheading crew member sit with her to block her from doing anything and calm her down. We had her met by medical personnel once on the ground. Apparently she forgot to take some medication!

My point here is that crew members need to be observant of ALL passengers.

I think the reason Annie wrote the article was because her questions were not being answered to her satisfaction by authorities. They never told her that the men were from a band until she pursued it with authorities. The above article said that the flight crew and FAM's were not nervous at all. Then why were the FAM's looking in the bathrooms and the flight attendant asking her to write a description of the men?

All these kinds of activities need to be taken seriously. I hope this article brings to light some of the activities that "might" be going on and step up security.

Kathy
 
a voice of reason....


Good post. . . I emailed her editor as well as quite a few others to try and get her head out of the wrong place. She surely had too much time on her hands to put some piece of **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** piece together as she did.

problem? none..

outcome? uneventful...


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Atl2cdg

"If 4 or 5 sales managers traveling to a business conference gathered together in their pin-stripe shirts and 100% silk ties, no one would even them them a second glance"

You are completely wrong about this, I was on a flight to Europe 2 weeks ago with two other middle aged white guys. About 15 minutes after takeoff we all were together by the lav talking when the FA came and questioned us about why we were together there talking and asked us to go back to our seats. At that point it was obvious she was nervous about our being there. So rest assured it is not just skin color that will raise suspicion.
 
Somebody other than Annie had to be nervous as the airplane was met by authorities. All but one of the guys had expired visas.
 
1. All expired visas

2. The group sings a song about the mother of a suicide bomber


yeah I think we need to connect the dots here folks. I remember an FBI agent who voiced concern over terrorist flight training here in the USA. I guess he was just a racist also.
 
quigs said:
1. All expired visas

2. The group sings a song about the mother of a suicide bomber


yeah I think we need to connect the dots here folks. I remember an FBI agent who voiced concern over terrorist flight training here in the USA. I guess he was just a racist also.


In case you've been sleeping the past 20 years a large percentage of foreigners living the US have expired visa's. US Immigration has made it so difficult to renew a visa that few ever do.
 
Then as Ray Charles would say they should.....

Hit the road, Jack and don't you come back no more, no more, no more, no more. Hit the road, Jack and don't you come back no more
 
Lets just sick back and do nothing. Preventive always wins out against Proactive. Lets not forget that it is FACT that they did dry runs pre- 911. If a story like that draws attention to the fact that passengers are aware of their surroundings.....GOOD FOR THEM. Maybe they will think twice about trying to ru airplanes into buildings. The Air Marshals were watching them like hawks too..........Obvious tag?????? Apperently the whole plane thought so. FA's, Pax, Air Marshals all took notice. Lets not inconvience those ME men for cost of another 9-11?????let's be PC and wait for it to happen again. Good thinking. I hope everybody does the same thing if the suspicion arises again. Preventive.
 

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