SWAPA TA2 heads to the membership for a vote.

[Widow's Son]

If we had voted in TA1, we would be well on our way right now to binding arbitration with the F9 guys....and the corresponding train-wreck that would ensue.

Well, everyone on the M&A Committee, plus all of the BOD and Execs who have actually had the briefings by the experts say you are wrong.

Furthermore, the same M&A language from TA1 is in TA2, so what did you gain for your 40 million?

 

[Daddy]

Furthermore, the same M&A language from TA1 is in TA2, so what did you gain for your 40 million?

I get to keep the flexibility in my schedule through trip trade so I dont have to fly with tools like you

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Both the lance issue and the open time issue would have been fixed after TA1 as good as they are with TA2

You are talking out of your azz...Like chuck has the authority to open a section of a newly voted in contract.

Likke Gary and the SWA BOD would have allowed a section of the contract to be opened.

It ain't Herb's airline anymore....when are the koolies gonna understand that.

 

[GuppyWN]

The ONLY reason I am patiently waiting is to fully read section 1.

There have been no "fixes" with TA2, only bandaids. Are they enough? I'm not as rabid this time around so I'd guess maybe they are.

Gup

 

[Widow's Son]

You are talking out of your azz...Like chuck has the authority to open a section of a newly voted in contract.

Likke Gary and the SWA BOD would have allowed a section of the contract to be opened.

It ain't Herb's airline anymore....when are the koolies gonna understand that.

Neither grandfathering lances nor a test period would have needed contractual changes to TA1 if it had passed. They could have just been policy changes that swapa would have welcomed. Nevertheless, it is common to have side letters right after an agreement is signed. In fact it is in our best interest to immediately pursue side letters to flesh things out.

 

[ASADFW7]

This is one nasty place, most of this posted on here is pure trash and not factual.

 

[StopNTSing]

Well, everyone on the M&A Committee, plus all of the BOD and Execs who have actually had the briefings by the experts say you are wrong.

Uh-huh....after looking at events of the last several months, if you still believe Carl & Co. have a high degree of credibility....

Suppose we just apply a little common sense & human nature: Say we passed TA1 and our F9 bid is the winner (since, after all, the pilots just approved a new TA with language SPECIFICALLY INCLUDED to address a planned F9 acquisition. "So hey Judge, a framework has already been agreed upon for labor issues....no worries, Mate") Then we get down to talks with the F9 guys and....shazam!....they want DOH--we want a staple. Now, do you think for a moment Gary is going to still call the deal off at this point, because his whiny, over-paid pilots suddenly want to go back on the deal that SWAPA just sold to them? I don't. Hello, arbitration.

Furthermore, the same M&A language from TA1 is in TA2, so what did you gain for your 40 million?

You're mistaking me for someone who already thinks TA2 warrants a yes-vote. For the record, my position as of today is that TA1 was half-baked; TA2 appears to be maybe two-thirds-baked. Though I will wait for the final language to determine my vote, if the same M&A language is indeed unchanged from TA1, that will certainly be one factor leading me towards another no-vote.


P.S. The economy is starting to show some signs of life. I'm just saying....

 

[runwayjockey]

This is one nasty place, most of this posted on here is pure trash and not factual.

Welcome to Flight Info! Where less than 1% of the entire pilot population comes to post and claim they know it all and speak on behalf of the other 99% of us who have better things to do than watch this train wreck.

 

[njcapt]

A Chief pilot told me to my face that Chuck admitted that the lance thing in TA1 didn't work out as planned because it was put together before the shoulder cuts. The CP's encouraged him to do the right thing and his answer was that he would but only after enactment to not appear to pandering for votes or opening up a can of worms for all kinds of other changes as well.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!! Stop it! No really, you're killing me!