The only way this will not go to arbitration is if there is a mutually agreed to seniority list. Otherwise there will be arbitration.
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The only way this will not go to arbitration is if there is a mutually agreed to seniority list. Otherwise there will be arbitration.
Nope. The Gorilla is going to be the new Federal Law that mandates that different pilot unions use Binding Arbitration as the final method to merge seniority lists. In the End, it's out of both sides' hands what will happen.
As it should be.
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What Southwest Airlines Is Telling Their Employees About the Deal For Frontier AirlinesOne of our PlaneBusiness Banter subscribers just passed along this information to us. It was communicated to employees via a Southwest Airlines' Today@SWA email.The airline has a press conference scheduled for 2 p.m. CT to talk about the airline's bid.Southwest Submits Nonbinding Proposal to Acquire Frontier AirlinesOn Thursday, July 30, Southwest Airlines submitted a nonbinding proposal to acquire Frontier Airlines in accordance with the bidding procedures in the bankruptcy court. We view this as an exciting opportunity for the Employees and Customers of both Southwest and Frontier. It represents an opportunity for Southwest to grow our Denver Customers; grow our revenues; and grow our profits. We must caution, however, that this is merely a preliminary step in the bidding process.We must submit a binding proposal by August 10. If there is more than one qualified investor, and at this time Republic Airways has also submitted a bid, an auction will be held beginning August 11. Frontier will determine, in consultation with the unsecured creditors committee, which bid to accept and present to the bankruptcy court for approval. Although our plans may vary as we work our way through this process, we wanted to share with you our present plan as we envision it. Frontier would continue to operate independently and separately for a period of time with its Airbus aircraft and personnel. We do not intend to integrate the Airbus into our Boeing 737 fleet. As we are able to retire Airbus aircraft, we will add Boeing 737 aircraft. Over time, Frontier employees would be hired into Southwest as needed to support our fleet growth and expanded operations. There are many details to be worked through, but we are confident that the effort will be worthwhile. We are also confident that our bid, if successful, will boost low-fare competition and benefit consumers in Denver and other cities our expanded network will serve.
Even if our bid is accepted and approved by the bankruptcy court, our closing on this transaction will be subject to several contingencies. These will include the negotiation of acceptable labor agreements dealing with the interim period of separate operation and seniority; and the appropriate regulatory review. Absent the negotiation of these labor agreements, we will not go forward with this transaction. However, we are confident that the benefits of such a transaction for Employees of both Southwest and Frontier will become self-evident and that we will be able to obtain such agreements................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Read the last paragraph, as I am unable to change color to highlight.
What Southwest Airlines Is Telling Their Employees About the Deal For Frontier AirlinesOne of our PlaneBusiness Banter subscribers just passed along this information to us. It was communicated to employees via a Southwest Airlines' Today@SWA email.The airline has a press conference scheduled for 2 p.m. CT to talk about the airline's bid.Southwest Submits Nonbinding Proposal to Acquire Frontier AirlinesOn Thursday, July 30, Southwest Airlines submitted a nonbinding proposal to acquire Frontier Airlines in accordance with the bidding procedures in the bankruptcy court. We view this as an exciting opportunity for the Employees and Customers of both Southwest and Frontier. It represents an opportunity for Southwest to grow our Denver Customers; grow our revenues; and grow our profits. We must caution, however, that this is merely a preliminary step in the bidding process.We must submit a binding proposal by August 10. If there is more than one qualified investor, and at this time Republic Airways has also submitted a bid, an auction will be held beginning August 11. Frontier will determine, in consultation with the unsecured creditors committee, which bid to accept and present to the bankruptcy court for approval. Although our plans may vary as we work our way through this process, we wanted to share with you our present plan as we envision it. Frontier would continue to operate independently and separately for a period of time with its Airbus aircraft and personnel. We do not intend to integrate the Airbus into our Boeing 737 fleet. As we are able to retire Airbus aircraft, we will add Boeing 737 aircraft. Over time, Frontier employees would be hired into Southwest as needed to support our fleet growth and expanded operations. There are many details to be worked through, but we are confident that the effort will be worthwhile. We are also confident that our bid, if successful, will boost low-fare competition and benefit consumers in Denver and other cities our expanded network will serve.
Even if our bid is accepted and approved by the bankruptcy court, our closing on this transaction will be subject to several contingencies. These will include the negotiation of acceptable labor agreements dealing with the interim period of separate operation and seniority; and the appropriate regulatory review. Absent the negotiation of these labor agreements, we will not go forward with this transaction. However, we are confident that the benefits of such a transaction for Employees of both Southwest and Frontier will become self-evident and that we will be able to obtain such agreements................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................Read the last paragraph, as I am unable to change color to highlight.
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PS: Get use to fair and equitable based on seat position. Its Federal Law....Get use to it tough guy.
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How bad could you possibly be screwed by the very small group of F9 pilots? Instead of the immediate us vs them mentality it would be nice to see something like an announcement of a joint working group, cooperation, and an acknowledgement of what F9 would bring to the company. We can be such d*cks about a few seniority numbers in this industry. The we have a "culture to protect" argument doesn't fly either. You're way to big for that now.
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I call BS on that statement. (The we have a "culture to protect" argument doesn't fly either. You're way to big for that now). If you work for F9 i don't want you at swa, And if you work at SWA how did you slip through the cracks?
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Ha, you don't want me there. Thanks for the insults. The holier than thou attitude comes through loud and clear. I don't work for either and I'm very happy where I am but have plenty of friends at SWA. Great company yes, but pissed off people just like everywhere else. You grow past a certain size and it's inevitable that you lose what you had as a small company. Just like to see pilots in this industry treating others with more respect instead of as the adversary. I'm saying it could work out nicely for both groups or it could be ugly depending on how it's handled. Preferencial hiring...sounds like a crock to me. After all, you would be inheriting a customer base they've worked hard to gain. From what I've seen you would be lucky to have the F9 guys and girls on board.
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