SWAPA Comments about 717

[Stewie]

What is elitt?

 

[scoreboardII]

It's actually pretty big potatoes if you don't want to work a redeye.

40 flights/day times 30 days/month = 1,200 redeyes. 1,200 flights spread over 9 crew bases = 133 redeyes/base each month. SL 14 limits the number of redeyes to 1 per line, with a chance of 2 on one line. Majority will be placed on PM lines. So, if you are a PM flyer, expect 100 PM lines in your base that will contain atleast one redeye pairing.

Don't forget about the separate ELITT restrictions that also come along with the redeye pairing.

There will be no pure redeye lines. Hope all the Yes voters understood this.

An average base has 400 FO lines, 50% AM, 25% PM and 25% mixed. Meaning of the 100 PM lines, 100% will have one redeye.

FYGKPM

 

[SWA Bubba]

What is elitt?

"Enhanced Line Improvement Trip Trade." It used to be regular Line Improvement Trip Trade, then about 8 year ago, the supposedly made it better (or at least more flexible), and added the "enhanced."

After all the lines have been awarded, there's still lots of uncovered flying in the company's bank. ELITT allows you to trade your line's trip(s) with trips in the company bank, with restrictions. Basically, you're trading flying you have on your line with the company, for different days, different overnights, different pay, etc.

Bubba

 

[Lear70]

"Enhanced Line Improvement Trip Trade." It used to be regular Line Improvement Trip Trade, then about 8 year ago, the supposedly made it better (or at least more flexible), and added the "enhanced."

After all the lines have been awarded, there's still lots of uncovered flying in the company's bank. ELITT allows you to trade your line's trip(s) with trips in the company bank, with restrictions. Basically, you're trading flying you have on your line with the company, for different days, different overnights, different pay, etc.

Bubba

Think of it as SAP 1.

 

[WOWIdidntKnow]

Lear,

The red-eye turn that you described ATL - PHX -ATL would approximately pay the following:

ATL - PHX (blk 4+05) 4.8 tfp
PHX - ATL (blk 3+35) 4.3 tfp
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total 9.1 tfp

Based on the mileage formula of 1580 miles (ATL-PHX) the least the leg would pay is 4.3 tfp.

Based on the time formula (first 55 minutes pays 1.0, every 5 min there after pay .1) a block of 4+05 would pay 4.8

Your pay for the leg is the greater of the two methods to calculate.

 

[Lear70]

Thanks for the break-down.

For us it would end up paying 7:40, since it's a single duty period, and we only have a duty period guarantee for those kinds of trips.

So, basically, someone who does 3 of those in a row over 4 days of flying (late evening to early morning), would make 23 hours, versus a normal 4-day for us paying between 22 and 24 hours.

At Southwest, it would seem 3 of those over 4 days of flying (3 duty periods) would be worth 27.3 Trips, and it seems your 3 days are worth at least that much, and your 4 days (which is how much flying we're talking about here) are worth a LOT more than that.

So the only pilots who would want them would either want to be home all day every day or just like night flying (like PCL). Otherwise, it looks like that would go junior for you guys because of the pay?

Here they usually they get dumped into open time as much as is allowed by our system; few want them. I'm sorry to see them coming to SWA, truthfully. They may be a money maker, but they're unsafe unless you get on a night rhythm and stay there or are just one of those night owl kind of people.

How senior do the A.M. lines usually go in say MCO or BWI? Alternately I guess you could bid OAK, LAS, or PHX since you're obviously not going to have redeyes to those cities, be more senior, drop most of your trips, and pick up regular trips in other bases... That commute will suck, though.

 

[slaquer5]

Thanks for the break-down.



How senior do the A.M. lines usually go in say MCO or BWI? .

Stay away from AMs. they are a weird group .......

 

[Tripower455]

"Enhanced Line Improvement Trip Trade." It used to be regular Line Improvement Trip Trade, then about 8 year ago, the supposedly made it better (or at least more flexible), and added the "enhanced."

Yeah, LITT was very restrictive. You could only trade for the same number of days, and the total pay had to be within a 2.5-3 tfp or you couldn't do it. You couldn't select a bunch of trips to get rid of, then select a bunch to take, and hit the trade button, you could only do one block at a time. ELITT fixed all of it, and at first, the only restriction was net zero, which was to prevent everyone from dumping their lines and picking at premium.

DTC was the game changer, and screws the company as well as the guys trying to ELITT. I thank SWApA just about every day (because now I have to check it every friggin day) for coming up with that little gem.......

 

[MILF Hunter]

No one will get laid off. I personally will take a pay cut to not lay anyone off the SWA and AT side, but that is just me. I have been on the street before and it sucks.

Whoa...

While a sweet and noble statement, its quite untimely! And really not needed!!

First, why agree to give anything away when your assertions could very well lead to the actions that would make you put your money where your mouth is?

Second, why not say, "Leaving aircraft on that side of the fence in 2015 is in violation of our contract and we will not accept concessions, nor furloughs, due to poor or lazy execution?"

If you advertise your willingness to give things up to prevent furloughs, you can count on being told about the need to furlough. Its a classic legacy mgmt tactic, and our SWA mgmt is using more and more plays from that book.

 

[vixin]

Stay away from AMs. they are a weird group .......

He may just fit in. AM'ers are a different group.