SWAPA "AIP reached with Company"

[Flopgut]

Flop

The language is written very sloppy , the company could do as they please . SWAPA has not done very well in the grievance department We loose just about every time .


Also not sure what your point is, you sound like the company,telling us it's flying we will never do . I am surprised that anyone at a Legacy carrier would make the comment you just made .

They're not about to let that kid beat the sh!t out of New Mexico for you. SWA makes a lot of money doing that because yours is the opposite his product. You're in a difficult spot with your new international flying. Every new, exotic destination SWA wants has 1 or 2 airlines that want to come the other way. They have great cabin service, airbuses, and are cheaper than you. If you don't affiliate with a few in some way, then you're in everyone's crosshairs. Things SWA has relied on, like not building large enough terminals, cant hold them off forever.

I'd say what you're looking at certainly needs to be voted down. GK is not smart enough to know what to ask for on scope. You guys are. Write it for him and take a lot more than you give. Dont end up with some weird, hoky AerLingusy type thing that's failed. Do you have an alliance oversight committee? Or equivalent? Call ALPA and borrow one. Steer GK into a great deal (for you) with the very best airline the furthest South you can.

 

[Just thinking]

Now everyone is biting on the "transborder flying" thinking that there is no way anyone is going to fly into good ole USA with a Southwest sold ticket unless it is by a southwest pilot. This contract opens the door on the next merger/ acquisition that honors ALL of their code share agreements. Remember Air Wisconsin and the huge uproar? The sheeple pilots are allowing the boot licking know it alls make every excuse and apology for the company while throwing the pilots under the bus. One Captain has a son that flies for SWA and he is willing to tank his son's future and leave him in perpetual FO land. The control of the message is working and pilots are already planning on how to spend the pitiful bone us. Their shiny charts and graphs depicting the money you will make at the historical figure of 108 TFP is a joke with the concessions they are making.

 

[Just thinking]

Finally the president put out a letter and a pitiful one it is. Total disregard for what the elected representatives expected. More trivial salesmanship. Obviously he's trying to move into the general office. Disgusting!

 

[tankerhead]

Finally the president put out a letter and a pitiful one it is. Total disregard for what the elected representatives expected. More trivial salesmanship. Obviously he's trying to move into the general office. Disgusting!

Yeah somebody(gk) bought that dude. He's no better than a Honolulu hooker.

 

[slaquer5]

They're not about to let that kid beat the sh!t out of New Mexico for you. SWA makes a lot of money doing that because yours is the opposite his product. You're in a difficult spot with your new international flying. Every new, exotic destination SWA wants has 1 or 2 airlines that want to come the other way. They have great cabin service, airbuses, and are cheaper than you. If you don't affiliate with a few in some way, then you're in everyone's crosshairs. Things SWA has relied on, like not building large enough terminals, cant hold them off forever.

I'd say what you're looking at certainly needs to be voted down. GK is not smart enough to know what to ask for on scope. You guys are. Write it for him and take a lot more than you give. Dont end up with some weird, hoky AerLingusy type thing that's failed. Do you have an alliance oversight committee? Or equivalent? Call ALPA and borrow one. Steer GK into a great deal (for you) with the very best airline the furthest South you can.

So you are talking like the company does . You think there is good codeshare and bad codeshare .

I think you just made the Christmas card list of every airline CEO

 

[MINIME]

...and you just proved my point. Is this you in the video....or your sister perhaps???:laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=nU5cMZymSr0

In case you need help with some comprehension, the bear does not understand english and will never understand...just like you will never understand...

Phred

Very funny, but the poor Gal clearly represents the pilots after they signed that industry leading deal. It's a clear representation of what you will be doing in front of the company and an arbitrator/judge, when they start excercising what YOU gave them.

 

[Ty Webb]

Very funny, but the poor Gal clearly represents the pilots after they signed that industry leading deal. It's a clear representation of what you will be doing in front of the company and an arbitrator/judge, when they start excercising what YOU gave them.

Yup.

.uke:

 

[Flopgut]

So you are talking like the company does . You think there is good codeshare and bad codeshare .

I think you just made the Christmas card list of every airline CEO

Is your current codeshare sustainable? No. You'll lose it eventually. You're too expensive, have stale cabin service, and you have one (1) airplane type. Not only is it not the ideal airplane type, you can't get an etops flt off the ground. Vote this down, get a reality check, get some code share plans that will benefit you.

 

[HowardBorden]

get some code share plans that will benefit you.

You and all the myopic defeatists are the problem with this industry. The really sad part is you think you're "enlightened."

 

[Flopgut]

You and all the myopic defeatists are the problem with this industry. The really sad part is you think you're "enlightened."

It's a big world Howie. Welcome to it.

All those years of cake-eating didn't do you any favors.

 

[HowardBorden]

It's a big world Howie. Welcome to it.

All those years of cake-eating didn't do you any favors.

Crawl back in your hole. The folks that actually know what it's like to fly their own code are having a professional discussion here.

 

[Flopgut]

Crawl back in your hole. The folks that actually know what it's like to fly their own code are having a professional discussion here.

Youre having a discussion all right. Interesting reading to say the least. You guys are a joke. Easy come, easy go

 

[HowardBorden]

Youre having a discussion all right. Interesting reading to say the least. You guys are a joke. Easy come, easy go

Actually the ironclad scope didn't come easily, it cost us dearly. My hope is it won't go easily either. Most are willing to fight for it just like was done during last section 6 when it was tightened even more.

You think the right decision is to cave on scope. YOU ARE UNEQUIVOCALLY WRONG AND MISGUIDED!

I'm just mystified and absolutely baffled that someone that proclaims to work under a CBA that allows:

223 - 76 seat RJ's
102 - 70 seat RJ's
125 - 50 seat RJ's

would come here and preach SWA pilots that they should loosen scope language. How is that working out for you? Is it going so well that you think everyone should give it a try?

In a word, unbelievable.

 

[Flopgut]

You know Howie, you might consider not acting like a d!ck for a few posts and embrace any competing idea to voting in what you're faced with right now?? Because it's going to be a lot less fun for you to look up exact RJ/outsourcing numbers the rest of us live with if your coworkers vote this in. Make any sense to you at all?

 

[Crash Pad]

Those numbers are staggering. Don't worry we are going to flip the script and outsource the widebody!