SWA Won't Share Its Pain With Workers

[RollinOnMy22sYo]

You probably have IBS--Irratable bowl syndrome along with E.D.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Yeah, it came from riding on Delta for 6 years......

 

[SWA/FO]

Nah....my balls are just a little higher.....tee hee

Somebody is "balls deep", then.

I am on the way to 10,000

You must think the FI community is going to give you .70 for every post you make. Is this your plan to supplement your lost retirement fund?

All these problems due to the fact your company could not pay its bills, had NO PLAN and gave it to you with NO K-Y.

I'd defend a company like that.....yeah, yeah its all about the international flying, sure. Some might be happy walking in Paris watching people with your 33+% paycut.

I'd rather watch people in west Texas with 100% of my pay and the 1-2-3.

the SWA/FO imp:

 

[canyonblue]

General – I’ve enjoyed many of your previous posts even though quite often I tend to disagree with you. This time I am simply confused.

Why do you pick so much on SWA guys/gals?

The envious die not once, but as oft as the envied win applause. ~Baltasar Gracian

 

[General Lee]

Genital:

What's a typical schedule for your 737's or MD-88's that stay domestic in regards to pay, days off from junior lines to more senior lines. Are they mostly 3 or 4 days?

Another serious question as was Gups

328lewd,

The MD88s do a lot of two leg days up and down the East Coast (old Song routes--BOS-FLL and back, or RSW--BOS, then down to MCO etc), some 4-5 leggers going into and out of ATL,(not as much as they used to thanks to the Song routes) and some Delta Shuttle stuff that has 5 legs a day. (not too many of those lines) There are also one day trips from ATL on the MD88---turns to Guadalajara, St Croix, Cozumel, etc. We have flights from IAD to Cancun too on the MD88s on Saturdays.

The 737-800s do an average of one or two legs a day, with a lot of transcons and some interesting Latin America turns (San Salvador, San Pedro Sula, Managua) with Carribbean and South America layovers too (Caracas, Port of Spain) and 24 hour layovers in really tropical spots (St. Lucia, Barbados).

Both of those planes have every type of trip---turns or one days, two days, three days, and 4 days for commuters. It depends on what type of trip you want and if you are senior or not. If you don't commute you may want to do turns, and if you do you may only want 4 days. Junior lines may have 12 days off, but we use PBS and sometimes it is luck of the draw depending on staffing and time of year. Senior guys could get all turns and get 21 days off a month.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Yeah, it came from riding on Delta for 6 years......

So where did your E.D. come from?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General – I’ve enjoyed many of your previous posts even though quite often I tend to disagree with you. This time I am simply confused.

Why do you pick so much on SWA guys/gals? If they like their company and the type of flying they do – more power to them, right? I love international flying like you do, but I also understand why many pilots prefer domestic flying – it’s all good as long as you and your family is happy, right?

Is it possible that even though Delta seems as the perfect airline to some, SWA might appear even more perfect to others? You know, not too many classes ago, we saw yet another Delta pilot joining the ranks of brown aviators. He decided he wanted to start all over again here at UPS and I say - more power to him – don’t you?
After all, if he’s happy, surely you must be happy for a fellow aviator, right?

Also – and this one’s gonna hurt! - for the last 10 messages or so, your post count has been frozen at 8,999 ! It is quite possible that you will NEVER reach 10,000 :bawling: posts!!!

Are you gonna be all right?

I am going to be just fine. And, people make decisions for themselves all of the time based on limited knowledge. I am here to bring some clarity. If someone chooses an airline solely based on my posts, then they aren't very informed to begin with. I don't hate the Southwest guys, or even the corndog mafia on this website, rather I am pointing out one or two flaws that potential newhires should think about, multiple leg days for the rest of your career, and one fleet type. The LBB layovers are just an annoyance. As far as a Delta guy going over to Brown, well, great for him. A lot of guys left Delta in the bleakest time (the last couple years) and they may live to regret leaving so soon. Things can only get better here, and jumping ship too soon may have them thinking someday why they did that. Leaving for UPS is an option, and so is leaving for SWA. Everyone has their own reasons, and all I can say is good luck.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[The Victors]

btw, those "flaws" you mention are from your point of view. some might say that 1 fleet type is a good thing. like not having to go back to training all the time. multiple legs might be a good thing also. like being able to have 3 day trips that pay 24 and having 19 days off a month. The only thing about you that bothers me, a little bit, is how happy you seem to be that your airline is NOW doing better after sheading its debt on the backs of employees and creditors.

 

[Whataburger]

....See, you fail to recognize what really went on here. Have you guys EVER had a non profitable quarter? No. So why weren't you paid $200 an hour 10 years ago? You have always done well. Same with the Fedex guys. You have no answer for this. Was it because all of your senior pilots got stock options and allowed a 10 year contract because they all got rich? Oh yeah, that happened too. Southwest went for the higher pay rates because we went there after United, period.

Bye Bye--General Lee

No wonder you work for a broke-a$$ company. I have no business degree, but I dont believe any size profit=max pay. How did that end up working for DAL, UAL, and AAA??? Not to well, huh sport? Our company has consistantly paid us what they could affort to pay. Size of profit goes up = size of paycheck goes up. I recommend you read "NUTS" on your next run to BFE. Might learn ya somethin'.

 

[SWA/FO]

The 737-800s do an average of one or two legs a day

Wonder why Ch. 11 happened?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

CHRIST ALMIGHTY!

Who cares who flies what and where? Noone is better than anyone else. If someone wants to overnight in Lubbock and they are happy flying a 737, who cares? If someone wants to fly a 747 to Europe and they are happy doing that, who cares? We are all in this together for the love of Jesus!

My balls are bigger than your balls.......Christ people!

Even capt. megadeth is sick of this crap......

Mega.... you're a A Cup.... maybe a B.....

 

[General Lee]

No wonder you work for a broke-a$$ company. I have no business degree, but I dont believe any size profit=max pay. How did that end up working for DAL, UAL, and AAA??? Not to well, huh sport? Our company has consistantly paid us what they could affort to pay. Size of profit goes up = size of paycheck goes up. I recommend you read "NUTS" on your next run to BFE. Might learn ya somethin'.

Broke-a$$ company? We are worth almost what you are, and probably have more cash on hand ($4 billion). We have orders for new planes and may make a $20 billion order for 787s. Our debt is at a respectable level (around $7 billion) for our size. Your arguments just aren't supported by your claims. You need to work on that, sport. It is obvious you don't have a business degree, and if you think "BFE" equals large cosmopolitan cities like London, Paris, Rome, and beautiful Island cities like St Thomas, then you really need to get out more, and stay away from Intra Texas flying. Really, Texas is NOT a country. You sounds "NUTS."

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Wonder why Ch. 11 happened?

Well, they fly BOS--LAX, which is close to 6 hours. I am talking about the pilots, not the planes. Our 738s fly more per day than your 737-700s, because our 738s do allnighters too. Our 738 pilots may not do 5 stops across the country like your 737-700 and 737-300 pilots do (multiple legs with 25 min turns equals regional flying), but they get almost the same amount of time flying per day. Your statement there has no forethought and can't be backed up, like usual.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

btw, those "flaws" you mention are from your point of view. some might say that 1 fleet type is a good thing. like not having to go back to training all the time. multiple legs might be a good thing also. like being able to have 3 day trips that pay 24 and having 19 days off a month. The only thing about you that bothers me, a little bit, is how happy you seem to be that your airline is NOW doing better after sheading its debt on the backs of employees and creditors.

You are right, some people may like that hectic schedule, for a few years, when they are younger. I don't think many like up to 5 legs a day (not always, but most of those high time trips in 3 days have to have multiple legs---you can't avoid that) and won't like that as they grow older. Most of our senior guys like the one leg a day, lazy flight to Europe where they can get a beer and relax over a good meal. Or maybe over to Hawaii or Anchorage so they can go fishing on DELTA's DIME. Sure, you can go do that on your own time, but I hope you enjoy the TSA and all of those hassles too. Make sure you bring your pilot uniform so your shampoo isn't taken.... Sounds great.

And, how am I supposed to feel about my company after BK? It is a process open to any business, yours included if you need it. Some companies come out of the process better than before, like CAL. This isn't Russia where things are more strict. If you want to move there and play by those rules, then go for it.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Whataburger]

Broke-a$$ company? We are worth almost what you are, and probably have more cash on hand ($4 billion). Just one detail you overlooked - we paid our bills the last 6 years. We have orders for new planes and may make a $20 billion order for 787s. Our debt is at a respectable level (around $7 billion) for our size. Your arguments just aren't supported by your claims. You need to work on that, sport. It is obvious you don't have a business degree, and if you think "BFE" equals large cosmopolitan cities like London, Paris, Rome, and beautiful Island cities like St Thomas, then you really need to get out more, and stay away from Intra Texas flying. Really, Texas is NOT a country. You sounds "NUTS." Hells, I sounds Nuts, shiiiiiit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

St Thomas, dont we own them?

 

[vixin]

Genital Lee overlooks the fact that they shed their debt, pensions and cut their employees pay checks through Bankruptcy. Remember that you idiot? I sure wish guys would stop quoting this moron without a clue. Then I wouldnt have a chance to read his dribble. He is sooooo proud that Delta declared BK. Way to go Delta. Heck who couldnt make money that way? Maybe they should have tried other avenues other then screwing the creditors and employees. ROTFLMAO

 

[General Lee]

St Thomas, dont we own them?

Great, we paid our bills 20 years before your airline started all the way up to 9-11. And your point is? And yes, St Thomas is a US Territory. It really is nice. Come jump on us sometime down there.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Genital Lee overlooks the fact that they shed their debt, pensions and cut their employees pay checks through Bankruptcy. Remember that you idiot? I sure wish guys would stop quoting this moron without a clue. Then I wouldnt have a chance to read his dribble. He is sooooo proud that Delta declared BK. Way to go Delta. Heck who couldnt make money that way? Maybe they should have tried other avenues other then screwing the creditors and employees. ROTFLMAO

I sure know that, dude. Yes, our pensions were taken, although we did get a better plan in our names, and we did get a $650 million note to cover some of the drop. Even the retired guys got some equity in the new company (an $880 million claim), and the rest of us also got a $2.1 billion claim as creditors ourselves (I got $300,000 before taxes, and after taxes I got my 401Ks filled for last year and this year ($44,000 each year) plus a load of cash, which made up for some of the pay cuts). Since my 401K was filled for this year already, I also get an additional 11% raise this year (9% for the DC fund that is full and 2% for the 401K match that is also full). So, on the pilot side most of the current guys got something and will get another chunk in the pension note coming up here, and the non-union employees also just got a 5% raise, which is better than nothing, and they didn't lose their pensions. Most of the creditors did fairly well too, with minimal losses compared to United's BK. Even the lawyers did well, with about $186 million in fees, which was a lot less than United's lawyers got.

Any other questions, idiot?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Quimby]

so what'd you do for your 9000 post party?

 

[General Lee]

Darn, I was so busy debating the corndog mafia, I forgot! Thanks!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[momalley81]

Broke-a$$ company? We are worth almost what you are

Uhhhhh, WRONG!

LUV Market CAP = 12 Billion

DAL Market CAP = 4 Billion

Dude, get your facts straight. The more you post shows how completely ignorant you are to basic economics.