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Swa wins dca slots

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The new AA will blister your ass at DCA...like we did in PHL. You guys are not all that anymore. There are guys in my squadron that are leaving the corn dog and going to the legasy airlines.

Thank god! Those academy grads deserve to fly for the best!
 

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At least they will fly bigger airplanes in there than most others, it's about time. DCA has become an RJ fest, just like LGA.


I use to fly for Henson in and out of there, went back to DCA for the first time in 20 or more years and was blown away by the shift to mostly RJ's.
SWA may not be that competitive against mainline, but if they are competing against a bunch of RJ's I expect they will do very well.
 

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I use to fly for Henson in and out of there, went back to DCA for the first time in 20 or more years and was blown away by the shift to mostly RJ's.
SWA may not be that competitive against mainline, but if they are competing against a bunch of RJ's I expect they will do very well.

The USAir RJs mainly flew to smaller cities, like Lexington or Huntsville. I doubt SWA will add cities like that, they just dropped 17 former AT cities that were served by 717s.


Bye Bye---General Lee
 

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Yup, those slots were given to the guy with the most numbers on the check. This was a very smart move by GK, DCA is a gold mine on yield, just like LGA or any slot controlled airport.


Completely agree Freight. The yield is going to be nice out of DCA.

Excellent move on GK's part.
 

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Care to make a little wager on that? :)

Bubba

I would but it wouldn't be fair.

Southwest will fail for for 3 reasons.

First, as they found in PHL, 60 % of the traffic are connections ( 40 % DCA ) severely limiting the customer base of a point to point airline like Southwest.

Second, Dulles has experienced a one for one pax drop vs National as JetBlue moved service from IAD to DCA so your hubs in BWI DCA will cannabilze each other unless you offer exclusive destinations from each.

Which, three, you cannot due because of the perimeter rule - which will also fence Southwest into markets already served by every other airline already there.
 
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The USAir RJs mainly flew to smaller cities, like Lexington or Huntsville. I doubt SWA will add cities like that, they just dropped 17 former AT cities that were served by 717s.


Bye Bye---General Lee

that's actually my point. Those cities dropped were out of ATL I assume? Lot's of mainline competition there. My point was DCA seems to have morphed into mostly RJ flying. I.E. much less competition for SWA to deal with and perhaps more opportunity for them.
 

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I would but it wouldn't be fair.

Southwest will fail for for 3 reasons.

First, as they found in PHL, 60 % of the traffic are connections ( 40 % DCA ) severely limiting the customer base of a point to point airline like Southwest.

Second, Dulles has experienced a one for one pax drop vs National as JetBlue moved service from IAD to DCA so your hubs in BWI DCA will cannabilze each other unless you offer exclusive destinations from each.

Which, three, you cannot due because of the perimeter rule - which will also fence Southwest into markets already served by every other airline already there.

You do make a good point here. The Metro (or whatever it's called in Washington) was being extended to IAD when I was there and I imagine is almost done. It seemed like IAD is getting lot's of attention at becoming the airport of choice there.
 

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At least they will fly bigger airplanes in there than most others, it's about time. DCA has become an RJ fest, just like LGA.

That is because it is slot controlled. It is how the legacies avoid competition by wasting slots with RJs instead of having them go unused and redistributed to LCCs.
 

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http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/...se-out-in-Southwest-AirTran-merger/53307050/1

So if you're a legacy airline, and your merger diminishes flights/competition, the DOJ will take your slots. If you're SWA and your merger diminishes flights/competition, it's all good!! In fact, the DOJ will make sure those legacy slots are made available to you.

This BS is getting old. It's time SWA starts forfeiting some stuff.
 

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http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/...se-out-in-Southwest-AirTran-merger/53307050/1

So if you're a legacy airline, and your merger diminishes flights/competition, the DOJ will take your slots. If you're SWA and your merger diminishes flights/competition, it's all good!! In fact, the DOJ will make sure those legacy slots are made available to you.

This BS is getting old. It's time SWA starts forfeiting some stuff.

No dog in this for SWA, but I think the important distinction is a maxed out slot-controlled airport. The markets and airport SWA-AT pulled out of are at airports that anyone can start up service at any time.
 

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"Wins"...

That's a stretch
 

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Second, Dulles has experienced a one for one pax drop vs National as JetBlue moved service from IAD to DCA so your hubs in BWI DCA will cannabilze each other unless you offer exclusive destinations from each.

Not true... Jetblue was at a height of 38 flights/day out of dulles... now at 8. Jetblue had already decimated dulles flying before dca. The only reason b6 still flies out of dulles is due to the interline/codeshare agreements w/ the foreign carriers and connects to bos/jfk and one/day to lgb.

The metro is still years away from IAD... this summer it opens to Reston. IAD terminal is still at least 2 years after that.

IAD is isolated compared to dca. Any dca slot is worth way more than what WN bid. It was smart and they will be worth their weight in gold. Smart move for WN... dumb move for whoever didn't out bid them... (Jetblue...)

tail
 

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http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/...se-out-in-Southwest-AirTran-merger/53307050/1

So if you're a legacy airline, and your merger diminishes flights/competition, the DOJ will take your slots. If you're SWA and your merger diminishes flights/competition, it's all good!! In fact, the DOJ will make sure those legacy slots are made available to you.

This BS is getting old. It's time SWA starts forfeiting some stuff.

Speaking of BS getting old,...

Your continued paranoia and blind hatred of all things Southwest is nearly getting to the comical point. Perhaps you might see a professional about that.

Bubba
 

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No dog in this for SWA, but I think the important distinction is a maxed out slot-controlled airport. The markets and airport SWA-AT pulled out of are at airports that anyone can start up service at any time.


This is from the thread about Love Field routes just posted:

"Southwest's toughest competition, however, might come from Delta Air Lines Inc., which is already selling tickets for flights in late 2014 from Love Field to New York, Los Angeles, Atlanta, Minneapolis and Detroit.





There's just one hitch: Delta doesn't have any gates at Love Field.





American has two gates but agreed to give them up to settle a government lawsuit against its merger with US Airways. Delta wants to buy them from American, but so does Southwest, and other airlines could enter the bidding.





When Southwest CEO Gary Kelly was asked recently about competing with Delta at Love Field, he replied, "It remains to be seen who will get those two gates."





The U.S. Justice Department has said that the gates American is giving up shouldn't go to so-called legacy carriers ? a short list that includes Delta and United. In Delta's favor, however, is the fact that Southwest already controls 16 of the 20 gates at Love Field."

DOJ isn't just stepping in on DCA. They step in elsewhere and usually have a bias against legacy airlines' positions. In this article, they come right out and say it.
 

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