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Rumor has it, 30 New Aircraft in the first 6 months of 2005. Company is close to a deal to bring 30 more used aircraft (from an un-named source) online very very soon. Company is talking with SWAPA to allow Sim training 24 hours a day, currenly we don't do this.

Plus, a new city announced soon (this month). (CLT anyone?)

60 new airplanes in the first 6 months! Wow.

{Hey Tom will you apply!!!! now?}
 
Pure Rumor!!!!

I Heard yesterday that we are looking at some Carribean routes that we can fly with the new life vests that are being installed this year. (We can fly some carribean desinations without exceeding the 162 mile offshore limit "324 total distance between islands") Apparently USAir has some routes we feel could be very profitable.

Sounds interesting.
 
That would take a year? In the next year we will all be trained to use the life vests. So I'm guess that any routes like that are at least a year away.
 
SWA/FO said:
Rumor has it, ....

Plus, a new city announced soon (this month). (CLT anyone?)

Maybe this is why ATA pulled out so suddenly from a solid 80 -130 pax average load to concentrate on IND - DFW and an average 30 - 50 pax load?

Let's hope you are right. There are about 20 or so ATA crews that would benefit greatly from having SWA start service in CLT.
 
ATA73Pilot said:
There are about 20 or so ATA crews that would benefit greatly from having SWA start service in CLT.

Not to mention the traveling public in and around Charlotte.
 
SWA/FO said:
Plus, a new city announced soon (this month). (CLT anyone?)

Please don't tease me like that. ;)

Yahtz
 
>>>I Heard yesterday that we are looking at some Carribean routes that we can fly with the new life vests that are being installed this year.

The vests won't be ready for use until January 2006. They're starting to modify the seat bottoms in January 2005 (that's 57,000+ seats!) and that will reportedly take all of 2005. Ditto for training all the crews and FAs. When all that's done, they'll install the vests overnight in early 2006, and be overwater equipped for the next day's operation.
 
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Question: Does SWA use Jetcom?

Part of leaving the contiguous 48 is having radio contact with dispatch.

Rafts, flares and the rest of the overwater kit get pretty expensive. Refitting all aircraft might be rather pointless for only a few destinations that require it. It will also equate to lack of fleet commonality. Might as well get some -800's. ;)
 
>>>Question: Does SWA use Jetcom?

Nope...


>>>Part of leaving the contiguous 48 is having radio contact with dispatch.

You know, I've heard that... ;)


A previous article on ATA mentioned a retired SWA exec coming onboard to help out. Anyone up there ever hear a name or whether they showed up yet? We're all wondering who it might be...
 
A previous article on ATA mentioned a retired SWA exec coming onboard to help out. Anyone up there ever hear a name or whether they showed up yet? We're all wondering who it might be...

We haven't heard yet, either. I think everyone took a long Christmas (KhannaKwanzaMass) vacation.

All I've heard is that 26 of 61 airplanes will be gone by the end of summer, but the union and the company say we're only losing a "net" of about 10 airplanes. 150 furloughs are supposed to start the end of this month. 1st concession package of '05 (second in 7 mos.) is being voted on now, results come out the 9th. I think all the VP's and "Chiefs" are surfing monster.com looking for work, so no communication or leadership from management has been forthcoming. Of course, we haven't really missed them that much; they were pretty much absent all along.
 
The curiousity over who it may be is getting to us... ;)

You apply at SWA?
 
HalinTexas

In a couple of months all of SWA's aircraft will have ACARS for contacting Dispatch. SWA is not planning on adding rafts or flares to any of it's aircraft. The plan is to only add life vests. That way SWA can fly 162 miles off the coast instead of the current 50. This will allow for shorter flights from HOU & MSY to TPA, as well as from the Northeast to Florida.
 
OPLNguy Wrote....
"The vests won't be ready for use until January 2006. They're starting to modify the seat bottoms in January 2005 (that's 57,000+ seats!) and that will reportedly take all of 2005. Ditto for training all the crews and FAs. When all that's done, they'll install the vests overnight in early 2006, and be overwater equipped for the next day's operation."



Not quite Overnight. The "Hoover Industry" vests are to begin installation April 2005. The Pilot training will begin this thursday in EPT as well as the class that began yesterday. First QTR operation of the routes.

J3
 
Sorry to break the thread. But I was wondering if anyone can help me find an old friend that I think is a pilot at SWA. His name is Tom Fielder. Any help is appreciated.


gear_guy
 
737tanker said:
In a couple of months all of SWA's aircraft will have ACARS for contacting Dispatch. SWA is not planning on adding rafts or flares to any of it's aircraft. The plan is to only add life vests. That way SWA can fly 162 miles off the coast instead of the current 50. This will allow for shorter flights from HOU & MSY to TPA, as well as from the Northeast to Florida.

Not quite as simple as putting life vests on the aircraft and off you go 162nm from land.

The exempted equipment includes:
• Life rafts
• Pyrotechnic signaling devices
• Survival Emergency Transmitters
• Survival Kit

Operation under this deviation in these areas is subject to the following conditions:
• Minimum enroute altitudes are planned and maintained at FL250 or above;
• Inflight operations do not exceed 162 nautical miles from a shoreline;
• Crewmember training programs and procedures for ditching and diversion contingency planning remain equivalent to or better than those existing as of the effective date of this deviation authority; and
• Engine reliability levels remain equivalent to, or better than, the reliability levels that existed as of the effective date of the deviation authority.

Now, WN's deviation may be slightly different, but I would not be surprised if it looked like the above.
 
Look for more expansion in PHL. Heard this on 2 separate occasions when passing through PHL, once from Ops & the other time from MX. What they said is that Delta is moving to another concourse in Sept & SWA will be getting there 4 gates in the E Concourse. Also PHL airport management is working to have NWA take over the 2 gate in the D Concourse & SWA will get their 3 gates in the E Concourse. That would mean 5 more gates in PHL.
 
Careful

Careful!

The SWA police will start accusing you of trying to start a cult of Flightinfo followers and claim you're posting classified information!

At least that's what happened to Chase, so....

P.S. I heard Gary Kelly is against the Wright Amendment- but don't tell anyone outside of SWA. You never know what the competition will do with that!
 
JayhawkDude said:
Careful!

The SWA police will start accusing you of trying to start a cult of Flightinfo followers and claim you're posting classified information!

At least that's what happened to Chase, so....

P.S. I heard Gary Kelly is against the Wright Amendment- but don't tell anyone outside of SWA. You never know what the competition will do with that!

piss off.
 
J3CubCapt said:
OPLNguy Wrote....
"The Pilot training will begin this thursday in EPT as well as the class that began yesterday. First QTR operation of the routes.

J3

Actually, life vest training for pilots began in Jan 05 (with the new hire class that started in Dec 04).
 
VP Schedule Planning told our NH class that we're getting ready to go international. So I guess that means we're going to CLT!
 
tz800ca said:
Not quite as simple as putting life vests on the aircraft and off you go 162nm from land.

The exempted equipment includes:
• Life rafts
• Pyrotechnic signaling devices
• Survival Emergency Transmitters
• Survival Kit

Operation under this deviation in these areas is subject to the following conditions:
• Minimum enroute altitudes are planned and maintained at FL250 or above;
• Inflight operations do not exceed 162 nautical miles from a shoreline;
• Crewmember training programs and procedures for ditching and diversion contingency planning remain equivalent to or better than those existing as of the effective date of this deviation authority; and
• Engine reliability levels remain equivalent to, or better than, the reliability levels that existed as of the effective date of the deviation authority.

Now, WN's deviation may be slightly different, but I would not be surprised if it looked like the above.

Well, you would be wrong, we are doing it with life vest only.
 
"VP Schedule Planning told our NH class that we're getting ready to go international. So I guess that means we're going to CLT!"


or Newark

D
 
jhill said:
Well, you would be wrong, we are doing it with life vest only.

I made that statement based on this Air Saftey Article from 1998:

Thirteen carriers were allowed to operate aircraft for extended overwater operations without approved emergency life rafts, locator transmitters and pyrotechnic signaling devices (flare guns), according to a July 16th Department of Transportation's Inspector General (IG) report on safety-related deviations and exemptions.

This comes as extended twin-engine operations (ETOPS) continue to receive a high safety focus industry-wide. And though deviations in safety equipment covered routes over the Atlantic and the Gulf of Mexico up to 162 nautical miles off-shore, none of the 13 carriers provided an equivalent level of safety, the IG said. Nor could they demonstrate adherence to the required on-board safety equipment.

FAA associate administrator for regulation & certification, Guy Gardner, agreed with the IG's report. In discussions with the IG, his office took action to void the deviations.

The IG investigated 52 permanent safety-related deviations and exemptions dating back to 1973 (out of 483 that were granted) and a total of 921 temporary exemptions granted between October, 1992 through March, 1996. In many cases, the IG found the FAA's actions were reasonable and adequately documented. However, application of policy was inconsistent.

The FAA said deviations and exemptions, are granted all the time. "The burden of proof is on the individual carrier to demonstrate that they maintain a safe operation," said FAA spokeswoman Kathryn Creedy. "The criteria that the carrier must meet to request a deviation or an exemption is spelled out in the flight inspector's handbook."

The IG also charged the FAA with having no system for centrally tracking exemptions and deviations. While the authority is given by the four aircraft certification directorates, it is left to the individual FAA field offices to issue the actual exemption(s). For instance, an inspector in one part of the country has no way of knowing whether or not a deviation was granted to a carrier in another part of the country. The situation creates the loophole that the IG would like to see sealed.

Similarly, while petitions for exemptions are listed in the Federal Register and are recorded in the FAA's Automated Exemptions System, petitions for deviations are not included in either the Register or any central database. It is that lack of consistency that has the IG taking a closer look. "The field office takes the application, then it is reviewed by headquarters. When the determination is made at headquarters, then the field office issues the exemption or deviation," Creedy explained. >> DOT IG, tel. 202/366-1992, FAA, tel. 202/267-8521 <<

Inconsistent Application of Policy

The rule:

FAR 121.339 states: ...no person may operate an airplane in extended overwater operations without...life rafts...to accommodate the occupants...At least one pyrotechnic signaling device for each life raft...An approved survival type emergency locator transmitter...

What the IG found:

The FAA authorized 13 commercial air carriers to operate aircraft on extended overwater operations (up to 162 miles off shore) without required life rafts, pyrotechnic signaling devices, and an emergency locator transmitter. However, none of the 13 carriers provided equivalent levels of safety.

The deviation covered routes over the Gulf of Alaska, Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. None of the 13 carriers was able to demonstrate that search and rescue availability mitigated the safety rule.

Although granting the deviation discussed above, FAA denied requests for deviations from other carriers for identical aircraft, operating identical routes. Source: DOT Inspector General Audit Report, AV-1998-171, "Deviations & Exemptions to Safety-Related Regulations", July 16, 1998


Congrats, Southwest must have some influence over their POI!
 
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