SWA pilots cleaning the cabin???

[FatesPawn]

Here we go. 15 pages minimum. Grab a beer everyone.

7 pages baby!!! Let's see how far it goes.

-fate

 

[Quimby]

do I hear 8?

 

[CF34-3B1]

I only clean the cabin while wearing my leather jacket, iPod and backpack, but after our fuel hedges run out I won't be able to afford the iPod, so I'll sell it to the MX guy who jBlue isn't paying who's brother works for America West who thinks the TWA guys should be stapled below the Air Tran guys when the merger is finalized. WHEW, there, that oughtta get it to at least 9 pages....

 

[AA767AV8TOR]

So let me get this straight... you're an American Pilot asking all SWA pilots to stop helping their co-workers in the cabin - to somehow better the profession?

Geez, there are clearly different wiring patterns in modern work-groups.



DING!!

I'll wager you guys will be burning your place down to get back to what you had long before we have to contend with any of your prognostication.
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I’m not saying that at all, just trying to point out the obvious. By performing quick turns, it enables LUV a better daily utilization rate which keeps productivity high. In essence, with your profit sharing programs, LUV pays you to perform quick turns. It’s the same reason why you guys taxi so fast and don’t do walk-arounds (while the FAA looks the other way) but pick-up trash. Lose the pay and the profit sharing, as what has happened at the legacies, and suddenly the motivation for going above and beyond is virtually diminished.

It’s a whole atmosphere that Herb has built over the years and it’s worked very well for him. By having pilots pick-up garbage and clean on a daily basis, the airline has been able to replace ground workers with a professional literally doing the dirty work, thus lowering labor cost. The difference between LUV and the legacies though is that you are eventually paid for performing the work while the legacies are not. Herb uncovered many years ago, that pilots are inherently greedy and will even stoop to picking up garbage if there is an extra buck in it for themselves.

At AA while our upper management stuffs their pockets with millions through our 2003 concessions and their PUP/PSP bonus programs, labor’s profit sharing programs and pay are a joke. This is a troubling problem throughout corporate America now. Herb has been smart and has included labor in on the fruit of success. Unlike the rest of the corporate world, Herb hasn’t enriched himself while leaving labor out in the cold. That has paid big dividends for him over the years and has ensured a cooperative relationship with the unions. That hasn’t been the case at the legacies over the years even though APA tried to work along side with our management in the post 911 environment. After a couple of years, APA finally figured out that we were being played by management to garner even more concessions while the company continued to enrich only those at the top. American basically dismantled our profit sharing programs in the 2003 concessions and replaced it with a “one size fits all” profit sharing program that is a POS. I think last quarter, the typical pilot pulled in $25.00 (and that’s before taxes), thus unlike LUV, this is no monetary incentive for anyone to step up. Like I said, it’s not rocket science, just follow the money trail.

Though LUV will have to deal with the high cost of the pilots when the fuel hedges start to run out at the end of this year; as someone mentioned earlier, over the next few years it will get very ugly at the legacies as labor attempts to recoup its post 911 concessions. This is a situation the legacy’s managements have largely self created by enriching only themselves at labor’s expense. It’s a train wreck waiting to happen. I know at American, with the stance our management has taken in its dealing with the pilot’s desires over the China route last month, it will probably take a strike to get a contract that’s worth a crap. It’s sad, but it’s the world we live in at the legacies.

Fast Factoid in Aviation: Management get the Union they deserve.

AA767AV8TOR

 

[CA1900]

It’s the same reason why you guys taxi so fast and don’t do walk-arounds (while the FAA looks the other way)...

The FAA doesn't "look the other way." The FAA has specifically approved a different procedure than the one at your airline: they have people on the ground trained to do the walk-around rather than the flight crew. You can disagree with that if you like, but it's hardly being hidden from the FAA.

Do you deice, fuel, and push back the aircraft yourself? Put the steering pin back in after the push? All have the potential for damage or disaster, but you trust others to do that, right?


And you guys taxi so slow that you get new flat spots on your tires. Everybody taxis fast by comparison.

 

[Fearless Tower]

To all....I truly apologize for starting this bloody thread in the first place!