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Yeah, mega...next we are going to DO UPS. We need a Cargo notch in our belt. We are going to run them out of SDF. Actually we never ran anybody out of business, they can do that themselves.

You know? If it wasn't for my friends and a lot of cool flight crews at SWA, I would LAUGH MY A$$ off if you ever lost your job. I don't even think that way about my ex that was a pathological liar and cheater. That's how much I can't stand your attitude you cocky toolbox. It will blow up in your face one day, you'll see. Better hope the housewife can support you. :laugh:
 
You know? If it wasn't for my friends and a lot of cool flight crews at SWA, I would LAUGH MY A$$ off if you ever lost your job.
Ditto! As much as I hate the rjdc guys, I've never wished anyone out of a job. But this prick's attitude needs a serious adjustment, and when, not if, his airline hits the skids, he'll be crying like a baby. Its quite obvious by his posts that he has short man complex! Probably got his ass kicked quite a bit throughout high school, and still today!
I don't even think that way about my ex that was a pathological liar and cheater. That's how much I can't stand your attitude you cocky toolbox. It will blow up in your face one day, you'll see. Better hope the housewife can support you. :laugh:
Don't you mean his mommy??:laugh:

737
 
This is one of the more stupid posts lately. Nice try though. The legacy carriers do an excellent job of screwing themselves and their employees. They dont need help from anyone else. Especially swa.

Just because you dont like to hear it doesnt make it stupid. Id say this its pretty much spot on.
 
mega and Pyrot,

You girls actually think SWA could do anything to UPS? Do you gals SEE humor when you read it? The only thing SWA can do to UPS is steal some Pilots and ship stuff on them. That about sums it up.

I would never wish harm to any of you tools. You girls are too much fun to have around.

Honestly, I guess deep down inside...that I kinda wish pyrot would be out of work, that would be kinda cool. Except it might cut down on his posting time...

Hey, your avtar, is that what DAL pay buys? 1/3 a truck?

I actually like mega, I wish her nothing but happiness in her new search for a Man.
I don't even think that way about my ex that was a pathological liar and cheater.
Sorry, thigs didn't work out for you, better luck next time at least you can move from FAT, bonus? :)


GO TO CAL

the SWA/FO :pimp:
 
I actually like mega, I wish her nothing but happiness in her new search for a Man. Sorry, thigs didn't work out for you, better luck next time at least you can move from FAT, bonus? :)


:pimp:

Awwww, shucks! You are good. Now I feel bad that I said that. Is that what your motive was.....to make a pushover like me feel bad? ;)

Dude, that man was so like 6 years ago. I don't feel bad. If he wasn't such a "playa", I would have never found my soul mate......he is such a sweet little honey (also affectionately know to other posters as "the human sacrifice").

:nuts:
 
Nope....You see we had to lower the standard to the walmart way of doing things like "southwest, so we lowered our pay and service to meet the competition...

737

If you really are making a true statement and not a joke, you as a pilot have no business in this industry. No one with an ounce of dignity would believe what you just said, let alone accept it.
 
If you really are making a true statement and not a joke, you as a pilot have no business in this industry. No one with an ounce of dignity would believe what you just said, let alone accept it.

Maybe you should step back. Look at your girlfriend, the swa/fo!;)
I realize all you swa folks like to stick together, but the reality of it is, he is nothing more than a scared little prick throwing stones and hiding behind a keyboard!

737
 
I realize all you swa folks like to stick together, but the reality of it is, he is nothing more than a scared little prick throwing stones and hiding behind a keyboard!

What you wanta fight, after work? Are you making a terrorist threat? :bomb:
 
I'd go with CAL. In my opinion you will see a reverse in trends over the next few years. Southwest has only recently become the flavor of the month since 911. One thing that has remained constant at southwest though is they go out of their way to tell you they dont care what kind of airplane they fly but it always smells of short man complex. Also southwest only has the pay rates they do because they rode the coat tails of the legacies. There are some good pilots there but lately it seems alot of weenies coming out of the woodwork over there. Their model is beyond the harvesting advantage they used to have. On many flights prices are now equal or lower at a legacy. The legacies are actively (as in right now) upgrading interiors and entertainment which the passengers have started looking for now. Lastly I hate the cattle car mentality and the over the top cheeseball flight attendants. I like a good sense of humor but the dog and pony show over there gets old. Oh yeah, nice to have some decent food with the first class entre as well as watch a movie deadheading or comuting. Lots of pluses going forward at the legacies and it will get better from here whereas swa is in the mature to decline phase of their business cycle unless they get buy doing som'ething different very soon.

I wouldn't criticize SWA pilots as having "short man syndrome." Sounds to me like your trying to justify a small penis talking about all your big planes and international stuff. I bet you drive a sports car too.
 
This thread SUCKS A$$! I found one thing in common with this thread. I think that SWA has drank too much kool-aid. If you look at the big picture, both companies have thier pros and cons and both companies are doing really well. We are in a pseudo recession (at least I think) gas is terribly expensive and we are a nation at WAR!!!! The fact that we can have the jobs that we have RIGHT now is something that shouldn't be taken for granted. I think the CAL responses are more realistic....stop being a bunch of crying, cheap ass, round sun glasses wearing, fat fvcking pilots.
 
This thread SUCKS A$$!
Hey what happened to all that tough talk? :confused: You know, using the "P" word, among other things?

looks like they didn't like it and changed it.

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Maybe, I should have called you a vagina.
 
I heard that as well, but I'm not buying it. I think that was just crap that came from our illustrious Ministry of Propaganda... there was plenty of open time (for FOs at least) during that period that wasn't being picked up.

We just have to keep spreading the word to pick up only advertisements and not open time.

Have you reconsidered? I've now heard 1600+ pilots put themselves on voluntary junior manning over that weekend.
 
Maybe, I should have called you a vagina.


Hey, we can say vagina on F.I?????

Cool.

Vagina Vagina Vagina.

Hey mods, can you guys post a list of F.I. acceptable curse words?

I think it would save a lot of posters' time.
 
Have you reconsidered? I've now heard 1600+ pilots put themselves on voluntary junior manning over that weekend.


Where does a stat like that even come from? I know there are a few turds that only care about themselves, but they are an ever-shrinking minority now.
 
Where does a stat like that even come from? I know there are a few turds that only care about themselves, but they are an ever-shrinking minority now.

This stat is as unreliable as any other we hear, so I was wondering if you had heard something similar. Supposedly it came from a union rep via the usual friend-of-a-friend delivery method.

Hope you're right, though, as far as "ever shrinking minority" goes.
 
This stat is as unreliable as any other we hear, so I was wondering if you had heard something similar. Supposedly it came from a union rep via the usual friend-of-a-friend delivery method.

Hope you're right, though, as far as "ever shrinking minority" goes.

Well, when I hear statements about the pilots' lack of commitment to the union, I usually chalk that up as propaganda from the company... though I often can't tell if a statement is from the union trying to get me fired up or from the company trying to make me feel hopeless.

There was a thread on CalForums a while back that you might have seen regarding VJM. The consensus was that we should put up a list of names and photos so the rest of us can "congratulate them" on their commitment to the company.
 
There was a thread on CalForums a while back that you might have seen regarding VJM. The consensus was that we should put up a list of names and photos so the rest of us can "congratulate them" on their commitment to the company.

I would support this, as well as the MIBS list.

Strange thing is that the folks talking the loudest about this are some of the same ones that picked up open time to beat the band when I was furloughed. Since I was at Express (thankfully, and a great group of pilots, too) I was still in the CAL hubs so I could hear them bragging constantly about how they pushed 100 hours this month, or got paid 115 hours that month with DH and vacation.

I saw how a pilot group could really affect the outcome of negotiations. Express got pay raises for CAs, a near-40% pay raise for FOs in some cases, better all around language. We got Contract 02. The whole thing was really shameful.

While I'm hopeful this next time around, I'm also a realist. And when I see the VJM gobbling up open time I just don't think the company has much concern about this group pushing for anything of substance.

I voted "no" last time and vote "no" each day I work by not going the extra mile.
 
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Without question, if given the choice, go to SW.

1) You'll end up with 11-12 days off per month at CAL with even less during training months. We have a minimum of 5 days er year of trng so that's 5 months a year with less than 11-12 days off per month.

2) Our PBS system will kill you over time. 1/3 of our pilots are fatigued because of this.

3) Bigger aircraft? Come on. If you need to define your success based on the plane you fly, well you're a tool. Plain and simple.

4) Different equip types, international flying? Who cares? It's all about the schedule. A productive shcedule makes you money and gets you days off. SW has productive schedules. More days off give you the time to go overseas on your days off and see countries they way their suppose to be seen. Flying to Europe to visit Milan for 24 hrs is not really learning the culture, etc.

5) Fly more legs at SW? So what? Didn't we all get in this business to fly jets? Flying is the fun part. It's the bs mgmt, hotels and crew sched puts you through that makes us all hate the biz. If someone told me I would have to fly 8 legs a day to get a more productive sched that led to more days off, I'd do it. Flying is easy.

6) The pay at CAL sucks the first year.... and the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. You won't start making money again until you're past 5th year. So don't just look at getting through the 1st yr. In fact, your SW buddies will beat your pay by at least 1/3 for the 10 years that occur after the first, unless you upgrade. And if you upgrade at CAL it will only be to be on rsv.

7) Rsv at CAL sucks. You are their bitch. They will roll your days off. Work you until 0330 into your day off but not restore it. They will deadhead you to Europe only to tell you to come back, then give you 24 hrs off and send you right back out. Oh, and you will not make any money on rsv. You don't want to fly rsv at CAL... unless they are understaffed on that equip, which they are not on any right now.

8) 787. Come on... is this really an argument? 640+ of these airliners have been ordered. CAL is not the only carrier getting them. If you really want to fly what will be the most common airplane in the future, there will be opportunities at many other carriers... perhaps even SW. Besides, for the first 5 yrs, the 787 will be senior even for F/Os. So coming to CAL just to fly this plane is a bit ignorant. Like i said above, it's all about SCHEDULE! Forget the airplane.

9) Hiring. While it's true CAL will hire 500 pilot in the next 6-9 months, more than 1300 were hired in the past two years. It's not like you're getting in at the ground floor of a boom. Once this next 500 is hired, age-60 will change and the hiring will slow considerable for 5 yrs (though I suppose hrng will slow at all the carriers as well).

10) Staffing. CAL has never been staffed properly and, from what I'm told, probably never will be. This severly affects the ability to trade/ drop trips. Sure trades and drops get done but it is more often like pulling teeth with crew shced to get a trade or drop done... unless it benefits them. We are ALWAYS below min coverage so they are not obligated to drop/ trade if it takes them below.
 
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A lot of this post is correct, but I think that you can find issues with every pilot contract, and thats the main problem.

Without question, if given the choice, go to SW.

1) You'll end up with 11-12 days off per month at CAL with even less during training months. We have a minimum of 5 days er year of trng so that's 5 months a year with less than 11-12 days off per month.
2) Our PBS system will kill you over time. 1/3 of our pilots are fatigued because of this.

3) Bigger aircraft? Come on. If you need to define your success based on the plane you fly, well you're a tool. Plain and simple.

4) Different equip types, international flying? Who cares? It's all about the schedule. A productive shcedule makes you money and gets you days off. SW has productive schedules. More days off give you the time to go overseas on your days off and see countries they way their suppose to be seen. Flying to Europe to visit Milan for 24 hrs is not really learning the culture, etc.

5) Fly more legs at SW? So what? Didn't we all get in this business to fly jets? Flying is the fun part. It's the bs mgmt, hotels and crew sched puts you through that makes us all hate the biz. If someone told me I would have to fly 8 legs a day to get a more productive sched that led to more days off, I'd do it. Flying is easy.

6) The pay at CAL sucks the first year.... and the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. You won't start making money again until you're past 5th year. So don't just look at getting through the 1st yr. In fact, your SW buddies will beat your pay by at least 1/3 for the 10 years that occur after the first, unless you upgrade. And if you upgrade at CAL it will only be to be on rsv.

7) Rsv at CAL sucks. You are their bitch. They will roll your days off. Work you until 0330 into your day off but not restore it. They will deadhead you to Europe only to tell you to come back, then give you 24 hrs off and send you right back out. Oh, and you will not make any money on rsv. You don't want to fly rsv at CAL... unless they are understaffed on that equip, which they are not on any right now.

8) 787. Come on... is this really an argument? 640+ of these airliners have been ordered. CAL is not the only carrier getting them. If you really want to fly what will be the most common airplane in the future, there will be opportunities at many other carriers... perhaps even SW. Besides, for the first 5 yrs, the 787 will be senior even for F/Os. So coming to CAL just to fly this plane is a bit ignorant. Like i said above, it's all about SCHEDULE! Forget the airplane.

9) Hiring. While it's true CAL will hire 500 pilot in the next 6-9 months, more than 1300 were hired in the past two years. It's not like you're getting in at the ground floor of a boom. Once this next 500 is hired, age-60 will change and the hiring will slow considerable for 5 yrs (though I suppose hrng will slow at all the carriers as well).
10) Staffing. CAL has never been staffed properly and, from what I'm told, probably never will be. This severly affects the ability to trade/ drop trips. Sure trades and drops get done but it is more often like pulling teeth with crew shced to get a trade or drop done... unless it benefits them. We are ALWAYS below min coverage so they are not obligated to drop/ trade if it takes them below.





1. Hopefully this will change with the next contract, only we can make that happen.
2. Agreed, the company uses PBS to staff the airline to the minimum, another issue that should be addressed on the next contract.
3. Agreed.
5. Especially scheds...
6. True but something that WILL change on the next contract.
7. The above is true on the 737 and 756/7 but not true on the 777. Reserve (especially if you live near base) is the easiest job you will ever have.
9. Not sure how long hiring is going to last at this rate. I do believe that the ge 60 law will slow down hiring/upgrades but will not stop either. I have flown with plenty of Captains in their upper 50's, I think that they will stay on and use their sick time to get to 62 when they can draw social security which will still mean that CAL will have to hire and upgrade, it just meas that the company will be less productive as a whole.
10.Very true, and while I hope this will change in the next contract it probaly never will, its a culture that has been allowed to exist for too many years.
 
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I still can't believe that the airlines themselves, via the ATA, are not fighting the retirment age change more viemently. It will be interesting to see the change in airline's cost structures as no longer will they be able to plan accurately for someone's retirement like they can now with mandatory on your 60th birthday. Potentially 5 more years of paying the top pilots, the top salaries, top retirements and top medical benies.

One thing is for sure, if you are less then 59 1/2 when this goes through.............well as my grandfather used to say, "son, sometimes life just aint fair".
 
A lot of this post is correct, but I think that you can find issues with every pilot contract, and thats the main problem.






1. Hopefully this will change with the next contract, only we can make that happen.
2. Agreed, the company uses PBS to staff the airline to the minimum, another issue that should be addressed on the next contract.
3. Agreed.
5. Especially scheds...
6. True but something that WILL change on the next contract.
7. The above is true on the 737 and 756/7 but not true on the 777. Reserve (especially if you live near base) is the easiest job you will ever have.
9. Not sure how long hiring is going to last at this rate. I do believe that the ge 60 law will slow down hiring/upgrades but will not stop either. I have flown with plenty of Captains in their upper 50's, I think that they will stay on and use their sick time to get to 62 when they can draw social security which will still mean that CAL will have to hire and upgrade, it just meas that the company will be less productive as a whole.
10.Very true, and while I hope this will change in the next contract it probaly never will, its a culture that has been allowed to exist for too many years.

It certainly has the potential to change in the next contract and I will be at the forefront of the group who will risk it all to get a industry leading contract. But there are still many who need to be convinced that we have a huge battle brewing on the horizon. I fly with many scabs who just don't want to rock the boat. Fortunately, they are now outnumbered and will continue to be as time progresses. Unfortunately, they polluted the thinking of a good many pilots during the 1990s. Hopefully those dellusional ones will come around. I beleive they will.

CAL is still a great ariline, or certainly has the potential to be, but compared to SW... well, there is no comparison.

Btw, 777 rsv is only an option for those based out of EWR. 80% of EWR commutes and those that aren't based there simply don't want to commute to or live in the NorthEast (I would gladly live there but the cost far exceeds my meager salary). So, in a nutshell, rsv on the triple only works if you live near EWR, which is probably less than 5% of the company. While rsv on the may sound palletable to you, it's a killer at all other sub-bases. I agree, though, if you live at near EWR and bid the 777, rsv is not such a bad idea.... for now. The 777 could easily get understaffed which would cause the reserves to fly more.
 

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