SWA March DB

[Headfake14]

I heard it was yesterday on the 7th. Everyone got their phones ready?

...waiting

 

[AvroJockey]

Got a PM from AimPoint...He got the call this morning! He certainly diserves it after two furloughs from NW. I beleive he interviewed on 2/8

I haven't heard anything...yet, and haven't got any emails from anyone in my interview group. (2/15 interview, 2/20 refs called)

Good luck! I will have my fingers cross for you!

 

[Headfake14]

thanks man...

2/14 interview here.

 

[vance]

2/15 interview HIRED

Got the call from the HOU CP. Good luck to all!

 

[AvroJockey]

Vance and one other guy in our group got the call today...I'm still waiting.

Congrats to those with the call, and prayers for those who haven't...yet!

 

[Headfake14]

...come on phone...sigh...maybe my ringer is busted

 

[AvroJockey]

Got the letter!...Just a little speed bump on the road in life!

Thanks to all who aided in my preperations by providing info and affermation for the interview. Hopefully I can use it again in a year!

God Bless!
Avro

 

[Headfake14]

sorry to hear that avro...that just means it'll taste sweeter next round when we finally do get it...

I bet my letter is waiting for me after this 4 day ends Sunday

 

[Headfake14]

ugh...got the letter. Some how my name wound up on the "no" list. Hmmm. Guess I'll have to bat again in 11 months. I'll be back. Thanks to all who gave me advice and stuff...

 

[Hamburger]

See how it stacks up to the Feb Board Results

Once again, A summary of the Board results posted here:


Headfake - CIVILIAN - Letter
AvroJockey - CIVILIAN - Letter

Vance - MILITARY - Phone Call
Aimpoint - MILITARY - Phone Call


See how that stacks up on the thread with the Feb Board Results......

 

[vance]

For the record

Hamburger,

I interviewed with Avrojockey and consider him a great guy, so I am humbled by the opportunity SWA has given me. I cannot deny the fact that inevitably great guys/gals like Avro were not given this opportunity. However, I don't think the laundry list of CIV/MIL does much to help unite us in the uncertain future of this industry. I have had friends CIV and MIL have their references called (considered themselves hired) and inevitibly get a letter because the DB shot them down. Ask any UAL/NWA/DAL/AA reject from not long ago and I think you'll get a clearer picture of how fast rejection can turn to joy. I don't see that as the future for SWA, but hope the best for everyone no matter the outcome.

Good luck,

Vance

 

[DH2WN]

Sounds like we need to get more civilian interviewers around here. The numbers are getting way skewed and for my money civ. guys are 10 times better airline pilots.

 

[Headfake14]

...well, what ever the case or the logic. I DO know that we letter recievers have a much higher "pass rate" the second time though. You can bet I'll be back. 11 months to go as of tomorrow the 14th.

Everything happens for a reason...I'm not feeling too lousy about it all. I was up to bat...a swing and a miss...I'll be on deck again before ya know it.

 

[Hamburger]

Easily 85% of the professional pilots I've met in my life are Great guys/girls, I have no doubt that SWA interviewees are any different. I'm amazed that they turn so many people down.
I just posted the results of recent decision boards attended by people posting here. Just the facts, you draw your own conclusions. I'm not on the Board.

As far a pilot unity, the only thing I think we should be United against are Management teams that make arbitrary decisions that have a profound impact on the careers of pilots.

 

[SWA GUY]

Easily 85% of the professional pilots I've met in my life are Great guys/girls, I have no doubt that SWA interviewees are any different. I'm amazed that they turn so many people down.
I just posted the results of recent decision boards attended by people posting here. Just the facts, you draw your own conclusions. I'm not on the Board.

As far a pilot unity, the only thing I think we should be United against are Management teams that make arbitrary decisions that have a profound impact on the careers of pilots.

Historically at SWA about 20% of those interviewed get hired. You have to understand that when decide you might want to work at SWA. It is not easy to get a job here, whether we are the last game in town, or the only game in town.

 

[Benhuntn]

Dh2wn- sorry to see you post that. I it isnt anywhere near ten times better, maybe 7 times better at most. I'll fy my check against your check for best performance though any day. But I really think we are all equal just followed different paths. Remove the chip!!!!!

 

[Hamburger]

Just out of curiosity

Historically at SWA about 20% of those interviewed get hired. You have to understand that when decide you might want to work at SWA. It is not easy to get a job here, whether we are the last game in town, or the only game in town.

Since it's all about preserving the culture, does that 20% figure hold true for rampers, gate agents, flight attendants, fuelers, etc.........Or is it just the pilots?

Also, How much does the reservation agent new hire have to pay to get certified on the software before they are officially hired? Where do the FA new hires usually go to pay for their certifications before they can accept a job offer. Do the fuelers have to obtain their own fuel training as a condition of employment?
Are the people applying for these other positions required to obtain their respective certification/credentials just to be eligible for an interview?

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Hamburger,

No PFT for pilots. I cannot speak for the other positions.

 

[Hamburger]

Really!

So they've changed the policy requiring you to show up to class with a type rating?
That's great news, becuase those things cost thousands of dollars.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

The type is a requirement just as an ATP or college degree, etc. No currency required and SWA does not get to "shortcut" training because you are typed.

 

[Hamburger]

Just like at one time or another, it was simply a requirement at Gulfstream, Great Lakes, CoEx, etc............

No different than an ATP or a degree? Except that a degree is not a requirement and the ATP was most likely paid for by the company when you upgraded, thus being able to accululate the Turb PIC requirement. In fact, most guys were probably pulling a paycheck while getting their ATP.

It's just an investment, right?

 

[Whataburger]

It's not JUST an investment. It's an investment that, if you get hired, pays a 1000% return. Not too bad if you are an investor.

 

[Hamburger]

While every other job gets an infinite return becuase they don't have to 'invest' in the first place.

You want a good investment? Forget the 20% crapshoot, buy a 737 sim.

 

[hookedonluv]

Hamburger must of gotten turned down by SWA :smash: ......there is no other reason for him to be so negative......or maybe he is just a sore looser :bawling: .......hopefully he will have better luck next time!!!!!! I think maybe he should read the title of this post and he will see that it is for interested applicants to inquire info......not negative disrespectful people to bash SWA!!!!!

 

[Hamburger]

Or maybe I don't have $8000 dollars to buy a ticket to the dance....

I am curious, though. What do the tell you in indoc to justify the type? Did they explain it at all? Is it supposed to be about pass rates? Is it to be sure you want to be there enough to come out of pocket for the priviledge? Is it because guys were jumping to to legacies and sticking them with the bill?

Still waiting for an answer on if FAs, rampers, fuelers, res agents, etc get the same treatment.

It really has nothing to do with Southwest, I'd feel the same if it were JB, Frontier, ATA, Gulfstream, COEx, or whomever.

 

[DH2WN]

Or maybe I don't have $8000 dollars to buy a ticket to the dance....

I am curious, though. What do the tell you in indoc to justify the type? Did they explain it at all? Is it supposed to be about pass rates? Is it to be sure you want to be there enough to come out of pocket for the priviledge? Is it because guys were jumping to to legacies and sticking them with the bill?

Still waiting for an answer on if FAs, rampers, fuelers, res agents, etc get the same treatment.

It really has nothing to do with Southwest, I'd feel the same if it were JB, Frontier, ATA, Gulfstream, COEx, or whomever.

So go get a 737 type rating job. There are other ways to get a 737 type than paying for it. If it's too difficult for you then I guess you don't want to work at SWA enough for the interviewers to accept you.

 

[Benhuntn]

Ham- yes to all. Even provisioners have to graduate from Mc Donalds. Hope you make it on your next try good luck. Even SWA has 1-2% whinners but right now we are running low so you might have a leg up next go-around.

 

[CRJsensa]

Just a guess

I am not sure why SWA requires the type. What is obvious is that they do know how to run an airline. If I were to take a guess behind the type requirement it would be that the FAA allowed them to abbreviate initial training, after all, every pilot is quailified to act as captain in a B737. Thus allowing them to be more efficient with there assests (pilot labor). This may seem very minuscule, but I think it is the combination of all the little things that make Southwest one of the best managed airlines in the world.

In todays market, they need to be even more cautious about attracting people who want any old job. They do this by interviewing people who have shown there desire to work for them by taking an $8000 chance.

my 2 cents.

 

[7S3W7A]

I am not sure why SWA requires the type. What is obvious is that they do know how to run an airline. If I were to take a guess behind the type requirement it would be that the FAA allowed them to abbreviate initial training, after all, every pilot is quailified to act as captain in a B737. Thus allowing them to be more efficient with there assests (pilot labor). This may seem very minuscule, but I think it is the combination of all the little things that make Southwest one of the best managed airlines in the world.

In todays market, they need to be even more cautious about attracting people who want any old job. They do this by interviewing people who have shown there desire to work for them by taking an $8000 chance.

my 2 cents.

Initial is 6 weeks long like most carriers. There is no abbreviation.

Big money savings is on insurance. We don't have green on green problems and the like.