SWA in DEN

[Jetsi]

As I am sitting in the crew room, I got to thinking about the SWA that taxiied by earlier in the day.

Any report of how Denver is working for you? Loads?

Just curious.

Jetsi

 

[firstthird]

Seeing as we started yesterday, probably a little early to do a post mortem on how we're doing. The smart guys at the GO (headquarters) have a typical plan for a new place which includes some time building the brand, adding flights, etc. Nobody will really know until maybe a year out. That all being said, SWA typically does not go someplace on a whim, we do a whole bunch of market research, etc. We've only left two places that I know of SFO and COS. SFO because the delays got to be more than our business model could take and COS because that was a Morris city we chose not to continue service to. Anyone more knowledgable please correct me if I stated those wrong.

 

[Bake]

We have also left DEN Stapleton, Beaumont/Port A. and Houston Intergalactic.

 

[SWA/FO]

DET and Anchorage, AK

 

[shagadelic]

We never left Anchorage or COS. Those were Morris cities that we never began to serve after purchasing Morris. Word in DEN last night from the station folks was 65 flights a day by June.

 

[canyonblue]

As I am sitting in the crew room, I got to thinking about the SWA that taxiied by earlier in the day.

If you could actually see him, I doubt it was Southwest. Normally moving too fast to be easily identified.

 

[GuppyWN]

Shag, If you go talking about a total of 65 flights a day by June some of the UAL "gentlemen" might think you're being cocky. You might want to say something more mundane like "I think we might be considering adding a flight or two in the future."

Gup

 

[Mugs]

Shag, If you go talking about a total of 65 flights a day by June some of the UAL "gentlemen" might think you're being cocky. You might want to say something more mundane like "I think we might be considering adding a flight or two in the future."

Gup

The thing this UAL guy can't figure out is why you and especially Canyon / SWA F/O spend so much time on this forum posturing and promoting your airline. I've looked in on this board since about 1997, back when a job (career back then) with UAL was considered among the best in the industry. A few UAL (and other legacy pilots) shot their mouths off while continuosly posturing and promoting their airline and themselves on this board. Today, the content is the same but the airline and the mouths have changed. The vast majority of any pilot group that is "on top" at any period in the industry wouldn't bother coming on here and tooting their horn. None of the guys I flew extensively with in the past that went to SWA would bother (well maybe one on second thought). What you guys prove to me is that every pilot group, regardless of the perceived overall culture, has its segment of those that just can't resist. Kind of like dogs and fire hydrants.

Is this going to get reported to Ivauir's "black list?" How over the top can you guys get?

 

[ivauir]

Is this going to get reported to Ivauir's "black list?" How over the top can you guys get?

No, the "black list" is for hateful/mean people who hate SWA. Hateful/mean people who love SWA go on "double secret probation".



I do see your point mugs, but I also see a lot of folks outside of SWA spending a lot of time here either bashing us or predicting our demise. Personally I use this board in my quest for a job and I still occasion this board in an attempt to return the favor. Sometimes I see a thread or a post that is so outrageous that I have to jump in (or someone mentions my name).

I wish that pilots out side of SWA wouldn't see us as the enemy. If your management is holding up the SWA pilot group as an example of productivity maybe you should point to our management as an example of competence.

I'm not responsible for our sucess, but I won't apologise for it either.

 

[shagadelic]

Mugs, I actually agree with you.

Please realize posters on this ANONOMOUS forum represent 1/10th of 1 percent of the pilots at SWA. You will never hear me or 99 percent of our pilots put other airlines down.

I have flown on a lot of jumpseats from United to American to US Air to Frontier to ATA. Pretty much all professional and courteous. We are all the same up front, just chose different paths.

I think the fact that this forum is anonomous makes it easier for people to say things they wouldn't ordinarily say.

The chest thumping does get embarrassing sometimes, but it comes with the territory on this forum. Take it with a grain of salt.

 

[canyonblue]

The thing this UAL guy can't figure out is why you and especially Canyon / SWA F/O spend so much time on this forum posturing and promoting your airline.

More like defending it. But I've given up on that and realized that the haters out there are just unhappy people, I'm not about to change the world. I was also on this board pre 9/11, and back then I was getting interview information on SWA, and you would never find a "legacy" pilot interjecting their comments on a SWA thread, so you are right, a lot has changed. Unfortunately it's gotten more negative, and the ones who start it are not the SWA guys, they seem to be the ones who just are not happy that Southwest is doing well.

 

[rice]

As I am sitting in the crew room, I got to thinking about the SWA that taxiied by earlier in the day.

Any report of how Denver is working for you? Loads?

Just curious.

Jetsi

I don't know anything about the loads but I've tried buying a ticket and there are nothing but $200+ seats (one way) left going to DEN. It is ski season though.

 

[pipejockey]

I don't know anything about the loads but I've tried buying a ticket and there are nothing but $200+ seats (one way) left going to DEN. It is ski season though.

You've got to be kidding me. Say it aint so. Sounds too good to be true to have them actually charge a decent price that will allow all involved to earn a profit.

 

[boeing747-800]

I still consider UAL one of the best.

 

[Mugs]

Thanks. But if you had been at say ORD last night you would realize that we have plenty of work to do.

 

[SWA/FO]

I remember the treatment I recieved from United Crews while I was on the outside looking in . They "lived" their arrogance everyday. They did not have to post their arrogance on flightinfo.com.

I (gladly) defend Southwest Airlines on this site, weekly. Someone has to!
:beer: You could say that "I'm a hero"..............
(that was a joke guys, only kidding for you sensitive types)

 

[Mugs]

I remember the treatment I recieved from United Crews while I was on the outside looking in . They "lived" their arrogance everyday. They did not have to post their arrogance on flightinfo.com.

I (gladly) defend Southwest Airlines on this site, weekly. Someone has to!
:beer: You could say that "I'm a hero"..............
(that was a joke guys, only kidding for you sensitive types)

Just the type of response I expected from you in particular. Your fellow pilots, in case you didn't notice, were completely level headed and reasonable.

In my nine years, I have yet to see a jumpseater treated poorly by anyone I worked with. I, and plenty of others, wouldn't put up with it.

I was also at one time a commuter "puke" that commuted on UAL. The reason I used UAL was because at that time, they had the most liberal jumpseat policy in the industry. AMR and others were not even an option. I was not treated even then by UAL crews the way you would lead us all to believe. Have bad things happened? Sure. But not to the extent you would like us to believe.

I harbor no resentment toward SWA at all. Individual pilots are another story.

 

[SWA/FO]

I was not talking about jumpseating. I was talking about other interaction with them, ie. social events, job fairs etc... I like you Mugs!

You didn't expect me to agree with you? Did you? I'm not running for office, so I speak my mind. I don't expect everyone to agree with me. I know, there are many fine individuals at UAL. I speak of the only few "SWA/FO" types there. I'm really not that bad of a guy.
:beer:

 

[canyonblue]

I harbor no resentment toward SWA at all.

It all seemed sincere and honest until you added that line. Mug's, your history on this board can be reviewed.

 

[Mugs]

It all seemed sincere and honest until you added that line. Mug's, your history on this board is can be reviewed.

I think you have a problem distinguishing between criticism and bashing. You seem to lump it all in the same category. Have I criticized SWA on the Wright Amendment for example? Yes. Because my beliefs put me on the other side of the issue. Sometimes I suppose my tone gets a little stronger when I read the kind of stuff I was talking about in the earlier post on this thread. To you, that makes me a "basher." I criticize my own company when appropriate too. I did that last night when others brought up the reservations computer meltdown. If I got as wound up as you do about all the shots UAL has taken on this forum over the years (plenty of legitimate criticisms I might add), I would have more posts than General Lee.