SWA "dings" up 321M profit!

[rajflyboy]

Wonder How many people went the "Pay for Training" route and spent 6 or 8 G's and then Didn't even get hired??

Thats the whole thing >> You should pay for the Type after you get hired. Other than SWA there is absolutely no good reason to buy a 737 type rating.

How many poor bastards paid the piper and then didn't even get hired.

Many out there agree with me. Thats why most Unions have pushed out the pay for training crap. My company did about 10 years ago (Thankfully)!

 

[FlyinGuy]

The fact that they paid for the type and were not gauranteed the job proves that it is not a pay for training operation. How many things in your life did you pay for to improve your qualifications?

I had to pay for my college........does that make the military a pay for commission operation?

The most important aspect about this thread is that you have no influence on SWA hiring and your opinion does not change or concern anyone!

 

[Chest Rockwell]

Wonder How many people went the "Pay for Training" route and spent 6 or 8 G's and then Didn't even get hired??

Thats the whole thing >> You should pay for the Type after you get hired. Other than SWA there is absolutely no good reason to buy a 737 type rating.

How many poor bastards paid the piper and then didn't even get hired.

Many out there agree with me. Thats why most Unions have pushed out the pay for training crap. My company did about 10 years ago (Thankfully)!

I will ask again. What training has one paid for by getting a type rating? What training have I paid SWA for?

 

[TZtoSWA]

And as I said before, I can think of several friends of mine who did NOT pay for the type and work here now.

 

[SWA/FO]

I interviewed...they said "if you get a type, we will put you into a class" I said - "this is a no-brainer!"

FWIW: I heard 2 classes every month for the next 1.5 years. From a senior Capt. Maybe some of you lucky guys/girls will be pullin gear for the SWA/CA!!

 

[The Prussian]

RAJ...I'm starting to get confused...to what are you referring...INDENTURED SERVITUDE???? Some airlines have introduced a similar concept, however, SWA has never embraced, nor approached that concept, as far as I am aware. Chest and FlynGuy are right on w/r to required ratings and possible job offers. Please explain your issues...

 

[vixin]

It takes a medical degree to explain his issues. Or he isnt very bright and just doesnt grasp the concept of pay for training. Either way a spark is brighter then that guy.

 

[Toobdrvr]

SWA folks: Congratulations for your continued financial success.

Ok, off topic for a minute: A few posts earlier, someone mentioned Ameriflight in the PFT discussion. AMF is not PFT. I recieved tons of training at AMF from 1999-2006 and was paid BY AMF for all of it, including hotel rooms and per diem. Some people get confused because they do sell right-seat time as a side business, but it is in no way connected to the recruiting of line pilots. Sure, some guys that paid went on to get jobs at AMF, but most didn't. Those that did still had to apply and interview just like everyone off the street....

Sidebar over, thanks.

Congrats again SWA!

 

[Flyboynfla]

It's just flame bait guys!
We know what we have here at SWA every payday : )

 

[rajflyboy]

American, Delta and United don't make their new hires pay for a type. Thats the way it should be.

SWA makes a good profit but they still have this bone in their hiring process.

SWA could attract better talent if this type rating requirement was dropped.

<< Just my opinion.

I won't argue that you guys are the Most profitable airline in History. You have the most stable Airline jobs in the industry. No doubt about it. You are one big happy family full of LUV !

No reason to brag about your situation though. 10 years down the road and things Could be different. There are plenty of great pilots at the other carriers.

 

[SWAdude]

American, Delta and United don't make their new hires pay for a type. Thats the way it should be.

In the early eighties guys would pay for an FE rating to be more competitive for the majors though.

SWA makes a good profit but they still have this bone in their hiring process.

SWA could attract better talent if this type rating requirement was dropped.

Its not a requirement for interviewing. but just like the FE rating in the early eighties, it does make one more competitive.

I won't argue that you guys are the Most profitable airline in History. You have the most stable Airline jobs in the industry. No doubt about it. You are one big happy family full of LUV !

Thanks. But nothing is ever perfect. And SWA is far from being perfect. But a good place to hang your hat.

No reason to brag about your situation though. 10 years down the road and things Could be different. There are plenty of great pilots at the other carriers.

No one likes a braggart. But I see more defending by offensive posters on this forum than anything else. And the constant reminder that things could change, especially in this industry, well is just ignorant to think not everyone is fully aware of this possibility.

Good luck to us all.

 

[TZtoSWA]

American, Delta and United don't make their new hires pay for a type. Thats the way it should be.

SWA makes a good profit but they still have this bone in their hiring process.

SWA could attract better talent if this type rating requirement was dropped.

<< Just my opinion.

I won't argue that you guys are the Most profitable airline in History. You have the most stable Airline jobs in the industry. No doubt about it. You are one big happy family full of LUV !

No reason to brag about your situation though. 10 years down the road and things Could be different. There are plenty of great pilots at the other carriers.

SWA does NOT make anyone pay for a type. Why can't you understand this? To imply that they do is false. The only requirement is that you have the type prior to starting class. I know several of my friends who did NOT pay for the type.

I remember Delta, FedEx, UPS, and others required a FE written or rating prior to class back in the day. Does that mean they were a PFT outfit? I think not.

 

[rajflyboy]

SWA does NOT make anyone pay for a type. Why can't you understand this? To imply that they do is false. The only requirement is that you have the type prior to starting class. I know several of my friends who did NOT pay for the type.

I remember Delta, FedEx, UPS, and others required a FE written or rating prior to class back in the day. Does that mean they were a PFT outfit? I think not.

So which is it? They do make you have a type or they don't? You can't have it both ways. This Type Rating cost good cold cash you know!

 

[Bobo135R]

If you come here from the Air Force or Navy or another airline with the type already.....you're good to go... We don't care how you got it, just that ya do....much LUV...- Bobo

 

[waveflyer]

this argument is silly and old.

good job WN- you are successful b/c each employee (pilot's included) understands it's up to YOU to keep the culture and profit going-- Everyone on this board thinks that things change and they are complete victims to that change. Things change for a reason--and each of us are not absent from that reason. SWA teaches their employees that herb and colleen and gary cannot make a culture-- but each employee can.
Part of that is they want their employees invested in the company-- and invested greatly (IE: Their own sweat, work, and seniority if they got another company to get the type- and/or their own cold hard cash if they chose to buy it.) Their success is based on the old byrd baggett quote- "there will always be a shortage of people who will do the job right and on time- therefore, success in the long run is fairly simple." But the opportunity to complain at WN is there just like at our jobs-- then they remember how invested they are and how well they are treated=- and they nut up and get the job done. That's the difference and that's why they end up kicking our tails every time they're put to the test.

 

[rajflyboy]

this argument is silly and old.

good job WN- you are successful b/c each employee (pilot's included) understands it's up to YOU to keep the culture and profit going-- Everyone on this board thinks that things change and they are complete victims to that change. Things change for a reason--and each of us are not absent from that reason. SWA teaches their employees that herb and colleen and gary cannot make a culture-- but each employee can.
Part of that is they want their employees invested in the company-- and invested greatly (IE: Their own sweat, work, and seniority if they got another company to get the type- and/or their own cold hard cash if they chose to buy it.) Their success is based on the old byrd baggett quote- "there will always be a shortage of people who will do the job right and on time- therefore, success in the long run is fairly simple." But the opportunity to complain at WN is there just like at our jobs-- then they remember how invested they are and how well they are treated=- and they nut up and get the job done. That's the difference and that's why they end up kicking our tails every time they're put to the test.

Thats why I call you "The Love Machine". There is just too much Love Going around over there at SWA.

 

[MILPILOT17]

So which is it? They do make you have a type or they don't? You can't have it both ways. This Type Rating cost good cold cash you know!

Seek professional help! Remember in grade school when you had to read something and actually remember certain things about what you just read? The concept of the SWA type requirement isn't that hard! The END!

 

[scoreboardII]

Answer up kid

rajflyboy, did you pay for your 152/172 time? Your CFI? Your instrument/multi?

Thats PAY FOR TRAINING based on your warped definition. Thankfully you are wrong.

I am betting your first job had some minimum experience requirement like multi time, night, instrument. Right? That is not pay for training.

Pay for training is signing an employment contract. No SWA employee signs a contract. Pay for training is working for a period of time agreed upon by you and your employer to "pay back" training they give you, or else you owe them money. No SWA pilot owes SWA any money.

Another pay for training option is for them to deduct pay to cover their expense in training you. No one at SWA pays to work here. Lastly, Pay for training results in your indebtedness if you leave the job early as in you quit to go somewhere else. No one at SWA will owe a dime if they walk out of class the first day. No one, it's not pay for training kid.

 

[rajflyboy]

rajflyboy, did you pay for your 152/172 time? Your CFI? Your instrument/multi?

Thats PAY FOR TRAINING based on your warped definition. Thankfully you are wrong.

I am betting your first job had some minimum experience requirement like multi time, night, instrument. Right? That is not pay for training.

Pay for training is signing an employment contract. No SWA employee signs a contract. Pay for training is working for a period of time agreed upon by you and your employer to "pay back" training they give you, or else you owe them money. No SWA pilot owes SWA any money.

Another pay for training option is for them to deduct pay to cover their expense in training you. No one at SWA pays to work here. Lastly, Pay for training results in your indebtedness if you leave the job early as in you quit to go somewhere else. No one at SWA will owe a dime if they walk out of class the first day. No one, it's not pay for training kid.

Come on man. You have to go out and "BUY" a Type rating to work at SWA. Do you think we are Fools. It is what it is. I don't care what you sign or don't sign. Call it Buy a Job, Pay for training, call it what ever you want.

I will leave you guys alone now in your world full of "LUV"

 

[Sy-bill]

Come on man. You have to go out and "BUY" a Type rating to work at SWA. Do you think we are Fools. It is what it is. I don't care what you sign or don't sign. Call it Buy a Job, Pay for training, call it what ever you want.

I will leave you guys alone now in your world full of "LUV"

Don't work for SWA so no dog in this fight.

Did you not go out and "BUY" your instrument rating also? Assuming your not a military pilot of course.

From the outside looking in, you do appear to be foolish.