Survey: Bags or People?

[igneousy2]

Okay, I'll repost what I originally was going to post, then deleted.

If you are overweight on some weight limit by 500lbs would your airline bump bags, or people?

American Eagle: Bumps people, gives them a voucher and retroutes them. At least that is what they are supposed to do.

Business Express: Bumped Bags

Island Air: Bumps Bags

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[flyinlow67]

Bags.

 

[I.P. Freley]

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This is a very interesting thread.

 

[Ailerongirl]

Hmmm..I am very intrigued by this this thread. Definately one of the more consise ones we have seen on this board...

 

[Vladimir Lenin]

bags as in stiffs at night in a beat up baron?

 

[ilinipilot]

I would say bump people bc you would only inconveinience 2 people or 3 at the most. If yhou had to bump 500 pounds of bags then how many people are you inconveniencing (SP?)

JUst my dime minus eight cents

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PS but its easier to have the gate agent make the call, then the pax wont scream you out

 

[acaTerry]

That descision actually is not the crews at TSA. The CA says how many #'s need to go and then someone else does it. It was the same way at ACA.

 

[Flechas]

People with their bags, ditto to what illinipilot said

 

[Palerider957]

At ASA pax get bumped before bags.

 

[rattler]

right on, the people go. And their bads of course. It is usually the CA's call on how many people must be removed to get the flight out.

 

[FlyChicaga]

Actually, I think it's bump bags but then don't tell the crew and put them on anyways. Kidding! Sort of.

Usually people... from what I understand it's cheaper to bump a passenger and give them compensation than bump bags for the same weight.

 

[Mel Sharples]

At Mesaba, we tell the CSA's how much weight to lose and they decide.

But it's almost always people first. Easier to piss off two people and re-book them on another flight then have twelve people not have their luggage. From a revenue standpoint that is usually cheaper too, as the cost of delivering late bags can be very expensive. Same example, you would have to courier to up to twelve different locations which can get pricey.

Our CSA's actually have some methodology for who goes and in what order:

- Jumpseater
- Non-revs
- Standby's
- Non-essential cargo/baggage
- Revenue passengers (volunteer)
- Revenue bags
- Revenue passengers (not volunteer)

 

[Ace McCoy]

Neither.

When you fly on the Mesaba Avro which has only 69 out of a possible 85 seats installed you are never overweight!

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Havent had to yet on the 170 either

 

[dash8driver]

i bump cargo first... then bags (excess first, then allowed...but those people outside the tube figure that part out). at WP the flights were very frequent and the seats were usually more rare than the cargo space. so you could bump some cargo or bags and it would more than likely get to the customer on the next flight (less than an hour later).

not that wp flys with full seats all the time, but a wp you're more likely to have a full load of people with cargo weight to spare than the other way around.

 

[248to2.8]

At Skyway we used to tell the gate and ramp what to pull. But after management told us to stop telling other people how to do their jobs, we now just tell them how much to lose. Then it's their choice. Usually they pull pax, but one disturbing trend I've noticed, is they will pull a heavy bag if there is one. And that is usually a military duffle. I feel pretty crappy everytime I see that happen.

 

[xjcsa]

At Mesaba - for 500 lbs, definitely people. We almost always bump people first, as it's easier to make a couple volunteers happy with vouchers than to inconvenience several people with missing bags (at about 5-6 bags to a person for weight).

If it's only 50 or 100 pounds, or if it's a c/g problem where pulling people barely helps, then maybe a couple bags, if there aren't any volunteers ready. In these (unusual) cases, we try to pull bags with easy connections that will be delayed a few hours, rather than half a day or even a whole day.

 

[Tina Fey's Scar]

Havent had to yet on the 170 either

Yeah but how many mechanical cancellations have you had?

 

[Axel]

Call dispatch and get a closer alternate, get the holding fuel reduced from 1200 to 600, have them work fuel #s for high 30's vice the mid 20's they filed you for a 500 mile trip. Initial the amended release then fire up and taxi to the runup area and burn off 500 lbs of unnecessary fuel

 

[igneousy2]

i bump cargo first... then bags (excess first, then allowed...but those people outside the tube figure that part out). at WP the flights were very frequent and the seats were usually more rare than the cargo space. so you could bump some cargo or bags and it would more than likely get to the customer on the next flight (less than an hour later).

not that wp flys with full seats all the time, but a wp you're more likely to have a full load of people with cargo weight to spare than the other way around.

I'm on reserve at WP now and in the last few weeks I have flown 8 legs with only bags on them because the planes were overweight. The worse was when I pulled into LIH at 2330 with about 700 LBS of bags, no people. The bags were supposed to arrive at around 1600.

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[dash8driver]

I'm on reserve at WP now and in the last few weeks I have flown 8 legs with only bags on them because the planes were overweight. The worse was when I pulled into LIH at 2330 with about 700 LBS of bags, no people. The bags were supposed to arrive at around 1600.

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either times are a changin' at wp or what you experienced is out of the ordinary. this never happend that i can remember during the years that i flew at wp. what is going on there that is causing this to happen? how does the last 8 legs compare to all the other legs you've flown since you've been there?

the only times (while i was there anyway) we've ever been pushing limits on bags was the legs with all the rich people that have to take half their house with them to LNY or JHM.